"sub30 is easy"

[Ross The Boss]

life is people oriented. always buy people first, then puzzles

i prefer puzzles to people.

 

[Petro Leum]

i prefer puzzles to people.

after all, most puzzles are cheaper, so youve got a point

 

[applemobile]

You are correct- some people have no soul.

Please don't wish others to become evil. When I was young, and had others to support my interests and I honed my guitar skills, just as these young ones are honing their cubing skills. It's great that they might become world class cubers before the responsibilities of life take over. It's not a bad thing, it's just a thing.

You don't have to be a monster to be ruthless. It's a case of just not putting up with crap. If someone is not up to your standards, or is holding you/your life back, then you need them out of your life. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link, so why tolerate other people who hold you back? Sure people may deem that attitude to make you a 'monster' but others may deem it efficient and effective. People lie miserable lives in unhappy relationships for years, because they don't have the kahoonas to leave, for fear of upsetting the other parties involved. Reality being you would both be happier apart. So sometimes being 'selfish' makes other people happy by proxy.

Anyway I digress. The term 'easy' is subjective.

 

[Forte]

Just as a personal thing, if someone asks me about cubing, I always say that sub30 is easy to do. I'm not saying it comes quickly or anything, but from what I've seen, sub30 just comes from repetitive practice to minimize recall time, as opposed to using intense thinking to lookahead or track pieces or things like that.

I really don't want to be harsh, but there is a certain point at which we have to be able to say "this is easy", "this is slightly hard", "this is hard", or else no one will really have anything to determine how hard something actually is. If someone comes on the forum and asks "how hard is sub30", and people say "you just need practice", I'm guessing (based on my experience) that nine times out of ten, that will be all that person needs to get sub30. I know that there are a some people for which that won't be true, but just because there are people that are slower than others at picking things up (everyone's slow at something!), it doesn't mean that we should not be giving those opinions that apply to most people.

Here's another thing I thought of. Isn't there some speed that you think is easy to achieve? Like sub60 or sub120 or something.
I'm not too sure, but eventually at some point you would probably say "you just need to practice to get under it".
I (and other people) see sub30 like that, so hopefully you can understand where we're coming from.

w/e just my thoughts

 

[johndmc]

Sounds like we're about the same (at least starting out anyway) - though you're probably still doing better than I did - it took me 4 months to get down to 90 sec (of course I started out with a slow LL method) then 2 more months to get down to 60 (I have a spreadsheet with al my times recorded ) But sounds like you're comeing along faster than I did

thanks for the feed back, i don't really know any other cubers, none of my friends are cubers its just something i picked up as i wanted to be able to solve one, and it grew from there. Not having anyone else's experiences to benchmark i wasn't sure i was actually getting anywhere. You've helped a lot DaveyCow, much appreciated

 

[MichaelErskine]

thanks for the feed back, i don't really know any other cubers, none of my friends are cubers its just something i picked up as i wanted to be able to solve one, and it grew from there.

I can identify with this sentiment: not having other cubers to hang out with is no fun for progress. Although I know many cubers and get to spend some time with them at comps, they're generally busy with their own practice and it must be frustrating trying to teach me. People at my own speed or slower at one comp are miles ahead of me at the next. I come away from comps with lots of good advice: a billion things to "focus" on I love Joey's advice to me: "turn faster"

There's a lot of interesting opinion in this thread -- I'm not sure where the facts are though. I genuinely don't think I'm "retarded" and the issue of age is at least being recognised. The amount of time I have available for practice is clearly not enough and probably the wrong sort of practice. My clumsy hands don't follow orders - inaccurate turns. My concentration wandering: so many images, names, faces, places, words, numbers and sounds associated with each case. Staring at the cube wondering WTF2L to do. My muscle memory executing the wrong sequence. My colour and pattern recognition being mistaken. My internal mental dialogue telling me I'm wasting my time! Maybe that last one can be worked on

I tell you what: learning new OLLs really does my head in even when consciously trying not to use it during solves as I can't help the enjoyment of trying to identify the cases

 

[Dacuba]

Sub30 is easy, if the people actually succeed to solve a Rubik's Cube. Solving it at the first place is harder than archieving sub30 afterwards

 

[JF1zl3]

I'm not using full Pll and I am sub-20.

To get sub-30:
1. Make sure that your cube is good enough ( ShengShou is pretty good)
2. Practice.

I wasn't intending that to mean you HAVE to know full PLL to get sub-30, that's just what did it for me is all. What method do you use??

 

[uniacto]

Haha I'm not using full PLL or OLL yet, and I'm sub 20 as well. I suppose it helps, but I'm too lazy xD

 

[DaveyCow]

And how much is "every chance [you] get"? An hour or two a week? Or an hour or two a day?... It wasn't a lot of time dedicated, but that little effort here and there is what makes the difference to achieving a goal. Do you do the same thing?

Yes I do the same thing.. every day whenever I get a chance I work on it. Since you say there's no excuse not to be sub30 in a few months, there must be something wrong with me?

If you're involved enough, yeah sure, you can be sub-30 in 2 weeks. However, many beginners don't know where to get the information, like good algs, how to practice or even where to get good cubes.

anyway, that's how I was.

yeah me too - I didn't even know about "speedcubing" when I first learned - for at least the first 6 months or more I taught myself/researched everything myself. I didn't know anyone else that cubed and so was on my own. I feel like my knowledge is actually greater because of that, but of course that meant it took longer to get to the point I'm at, if that makes any sense...

thanks for the feed back, i don't really know any other cubers, none of my friends are cubers its just something i picked up as i wanted to be able to solve one, and it grew from there. Not having anyone else's experiences to benchmark i wasn't sure i was actually getting anywhere. You've helped a lot DaveyCow, much appreciated

Glad I could help! As I mentioned above, I also didn't know any cubers when I started - just like you I picked up a cube and it grew from there. So yeah me too no one to "benchmark" against.

Several people have already mentioned that, and I have noticed it too, that overall the community seems to be supportive and encouraging. I really like this and it helps make it feel more like a family, which is kewl!

 

[cxinlee]

I wasn't intending that to mean you HAVE to know full PLL to get sub-30, that's just what did it for me is all. What method do you use??

Fridrich with 2-look Oll and almost all Plls. I'm gonna finish my Plls soon

 

[Rubiksfreak]

With modern cubes and the volume of information available around today, there is absolutely no excuse for taking more than even 2 months to reach sub30. You should be able to do it in 2 weeks.

Some people actually have a life. People work and can't cube 24/7 like others. Most people say practice, I think its more about identifying in the areas you struggle in and trying to improve in those areas

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[JF1zl3]

Fridrich with 2-look Oll and almost all Plls. I'm gonna finish my Plls soon

Aww man, you gotta learn the rest of those PLLs and maybe a few of those OLLs from this thread, especially at how good you already are. Totally worth the minimal effort (vs potential savings) required. But I guess one could argue I don't know full PLL, because for the Ub perm it's faster for me to just do Ua twice, which can sort of be considered 2-look. Even though it's really 1-look and 2-alg.

 

[sneaklyfox]

Aww man, you gotta learn the rest of those PLLs and maybe a few of those OLLs from this thread, especially at how good you already are. Totally worth the minimal effort (vs potential savings) required. But I guess one could argue I don't know full PLL, because for the Ub perm it's faster for me to just do Ua twice, which can sort of be considered 2-look. Even though it's really 1-look and 2-alg.

I bet it would be faster if you knew the Ub perm to execute that instead of Ua twice.

 

[JF1zl3]

I bet it would be faster if you knew the Ub perm to execute that instead of Ua twice.

It is, but i can do Ua 3 times as fast as Ub right now, so it will take some serious practice to get Ub back on par.

 

[kunparekh18]

It is, but i can do Ua 3 times as fast as Ub right now, so it will take some serious practice to get Ub back on par.

Just use the MU alg xD done.

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[JF1zl3]

Just use the MU alg xD done.

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I never learned it lol. I remember your epic video of it though lol

 

[SenileGenXer]

I'm over 40, I have arthritis in my hands and it's never going to get better. That's just not the way that works. I don't have good finger tricks and can't use my pinkies for anything.

sub-30 is a huge barrier. I don't think it's impossible, in fact I'm sure I've had a few sub 30 solves I just rarely time them.

I just barely have full PLL I'm working on G perm c and d and just doing them as mirrors. I know that's not ideal but it will be full PLL and G perms have been incredibly hard for me. I have nice 2-look OLL, partial edge control, great F2L, not so great look a head and I'm almost done with full PLL. The last has been my goal more than sub 30.

I said a long time ago I would be happy with just full PLL but the next step for me is better look ahead and probably more exploration of edge control. It's perhaps more about what I can manage to learn not so much how I can manage to execute.

 

[MichaelErskine]

Sub30 is easy, if the people actually succeed to solve a Rubik's Cube. Solving it at the first place is harder than archieving sub30 afterwards

Clearly those terms "easy" and "hard" are being used with wildly different definitions! My first 3x3 method I learned in a weekend. Some years later and sub-30 is still a personal goal.

 

[YddEd]

I just started cubing again and I can *just* get under 30 seconds average of 5