"sub30 is easy"

[DaveyCow]

rant: people that say that "sub30 is easy just practice" **** me off - am I the only one to say this? (prolly)

 

[Clarkeeyyy]

Its true though.

 

[applemobile]

Sub 30 is easy. Just practice.

 

[mark49152]

It's not easy for everyone, and yes if you are finding it hard work to get there it is annoying when people tell you it's easy. Just ignore them and enjoy your cubing!

 

[Smiles]

The thing with sub-30 and even going in to sub-20 is that:
- you can have bad look ahead
- you can have subpar finger tricks
- you can have a rubik's storebought cube
- you can have cold fingers
- you can have slow recognition
- you can use things less advanced than rotationfull F2L and 4LLL

there's really nothing you have to improve to be sub-30. that's why people say practice.

i can combine all those things and still be well under sub-30.

but to be like sub-15 or sub-10, you have to refine your skills and improve. that's where just practicing will not get you.

people often say "how do i be sub 30" or 40 and those threads are just as annoying as people just saying "practice".
the threads and questions that get actual constructive replies are the ones that ask how to improve on certain areas. you shouldn't be annoyed, everyone's just telling the truth.

edit: no one really says getting to sub-30 is easy. it's not. although it can be difficult, the process is simple. practice.

 

[MarcelP]

It's not easy. It took me roughly 8 - 10 months of daily training to become sub 30. Keep in mind every one grows at their own speed. It might take one two months to become sub 30 where another could take 2 years.

 

[Username]

It is only practice, and the time it takes to get there depends on the person. I was sub 30 in a week after i bought my first speedcube

 

[Dene]

With modern cubes and the volume of information available around today, there is absolutely no excuse for taking more than even 2 months to reach sub30. You should be able to do it in 2 weeks.

 

[Smiles]

With modern cubes and the volume of information available around today, there is absolutely no excuse for taking more than 2 months to reach sub30. You should be able to do it in 2 weeks.

i did do it within that time, but only cause i was pretty dedicated and cubing all the time.

not everyone can cube all that much, and some people just dont have great memory for algs, or maybe aren't as naturally dexterous with their fingers as others.
and some people just don't care as much. there are a whole bunch of factors.

 

[pipkiksass]

Sub 30 isn't "easy", but the answer IS practice. The amount of practice will vary from person to person, but it is definitely the answer. I practice a little, maybe an hour on a good day, sometimes I hardly pick up a cube, and I'm averaging 25-27 atm after about 4 months cubing, but sub-30 was a hard goal to reach.

As a little bit of an indicator, these are my weaknesses, and I'm still sub-30:

Cross - still sometimes only track 3 pieces. Recorded some solves last night, and had a 27 with a 9 second cross!
F2L - barely look ahead, just know cases really well. If something leaps out at me I might get a 20-23 second solve
OLL - mostly 2-look. Some of the 1 look cases I know I still don't execute as fast as the 2-look, because I never bothered drilling them
PLL - 1-look, but some of my PLLs are 5 seconds (I KNOW!). One of my recorded solves last night I finished OLL at 17 seconds, and it was a 22 second solve! :fp

So what does this mean? Practice alone has got me sub-30. More targetted practice, and improving the (many) things I suck at, should get me sub 20.

 

[Smiles]

Sub 30 isn't "easy", but the answer IS practice. The amount of practice will vary from person to person, but it is definitely the answer. I practice a little, maybe an hour on a good day, sometimes I hardly pick up a cube, and I'm averaging 25-27 atm after about 4 months cubing, but sub-30 was a hard goal to reach.

As a little bit of an indicator, these are my weaknesses, and I'm still sub-30:

Cross - still sometimes only track 3 pieces. Recorded some solves last night, and had a 27 with a 9 second cross!
F2L - barely look ahead, just know cases really well. If something leaps out at me I might get a 20-23 second solve
OLL - mostly 2-look. Some of the 1 look cases I know I still don't execute as fast as the 2-look, because I never bothered drilling them
PLL - 1-look, but some of my PLLs are 5 seconds (I KNOW!). One of my recorded solves last night I finished OLL at 17 seconds, and it was a 22 second solve! :fp

So what does this mean? Practice alone has got me sub-30. More targetted practice, and improving the (many) things I suck at, should get me sub 20.

Cross - get the whole cross solve in your head before starting, no matter how long it takes
F2L - if you know the cases well, this is the best time to start practicing look ahead
OLL - don't need to drill them, at least not yet (if ever, really) i dont. unless you have a serious problem with the speed/finger tricks (or you just learned a new alg) you shouldn't really need to drill.
PLL - with time things will come together. but make sure you have good enough finger tricks and get them into your muscle memory so you don't make any bad habits.

good luck!

 

[Bestsimple]

It takes time but it's not miraculous feat.

 

[mark49152]

With modern cubes and the volume of information available around today, there is absolutely no excuse for taking more than even 2 months to reach sub30. You should be able to do it in 2 weeks.

This is exactly the kind of BS that I agree with the OP is really annoying. Everyone is different. As with anything in life, when those who find it easy patronise those who find it more difficult, it's annoying.

 

[MarcelP]

With modern cubes and the volume of information available around today, there is absolutely no excuse for taking more than even 2 months to reach sub30. You should be able to do it in 2 weeks.

Yeah, and sub 10 should not take more than 4 months. Especially when you have no life other than cubing.

 

[Smiles]

that post shoulda started with
"assuming you have no life"

 

[moralsh]

I had an official average of 30.62 after around a year of cubing and around 8 months of speedcubing so by the standards in this thread I have been quite slow to get there.

I happen to be 9751 out of 21412 people who has entered 3x3x3, so I guess around 12000 people have been cubing for less than 2 weeks when they set their average

Practice will get you there, I think everybody is capable of sub 30 and even sub 20 but the amount of time to get there may be different from one to another and substantially bigger than the time that cubing internet nerds like us tell as I don't think this or any other forum is representative of the whole cubing population.

 

[Gordon]

I started cubing in jund 2011 and am still not sub 30.

Sometimes it drives me crazy, but then I try to keep in mind that maybe I'm not comparable to other cubers.
In general this doesn't bother me much, because I know I do not have the time to practice the same ammount or time each day like others.
I work 9 hours a day, have family, and horses, which all need their amount of time. And besides their need of time I also want to spend time with them and other hobbies.
That's why I roughly practise (and by practice I do not mean just do a solve now and then) only about 20 to 30 mins a day.

What I'm trying to say is, that you don't have to count the days, weeks or months since you started cubing. Count the effective time you practice.
And don't forget to keep in mind that some of us cubers are cubers that learn faster than others, maybe some of us are natural talents and it would be wrong to compare yourself with them.

Just have fun solving puzzles. If you are fast, good. If you are faster.... even better. But don't do it for the speed, do it for the fun.

 

[applemobile]

With modern cubes and the volume of information available around today, there is absolutely no excuse for taking more than even 2 months to reach sub30. You should be able to do it in 2 weeks.

You have been cubing since 2007 and you STILL haven't achieved an official sub 10 single? There is no excuse for that.

 

[cxinlee]

I was averaging 36 seconds with an unlubed Rubik's brand. I switched cubes and I immediately got sub 30.
Sub 30 is easy. Just practice for 4 months consistently and you will get it.

 

[pipkiksass]

Sub 30 is easy. Just practice for 4 months consistently and you will get it.

4 months is totally arbitrary. Practice may do it, but the amount of practice, and the length of time it takes, will differ greatly from cuber to cuber

Cross - get the whole cross solve in your head before starting, no matter how long it takes
F2L - if you know the cases well, this is the best time to start practicing look ahead
OLL - don't need to drill them, at least not yet (if ever, really) i dont. unless you have a serious problem with the speed/finger tricks (or you just learned a new alg) you shouldn't really need to drill.
PLL - with time things will come together. but make sure you have good enough finger tricks and get them into your muscle memory so you don't make any bad habits.

good luck!

I know all this, I was just making the point that you can get sub-30 without any of the things I lack!!!

Thanks very much for the advice anyway, it's nice to have confirmation. I'm glad in a way that I've got to the averages I'm at with all these problems, rather than some people who are similar speed, but with great cross and LL. It means I have different areas to improve, and small improvements everywhere will help.

I think what I meant by OLL drilling was really for the 1-look algs I'm learning. I find that I've used them so little they end up slower than the 2-look alternative.

Hey ho!