Speedcubing and its public image

Tim Major said:
I've been cubing since 2009 and I disagree. Cubing is getting far bigger, but it's gone from thousands to thousands, it's still tiny
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Yes but in fact this has been the first year to have over 10 thousand competitors. Every year there are far more people and events to the last year and the difference in growth is getting bigger, so yes it is becoming ever the more closer to the main stream. There will eventually be over 100000 total by the next 10 years and 100000 yearly by the next 18 years as more and more competitions continue to pore in. Tunisia is soon having their first event in just over a months time and eventually Algeria another developed African country will get theirs + a number of others as the growth of the community continues to speed up every year, so watch this space. It will eventually reach mainstream growth.
 
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TDM said:
How do you know that?
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Because the amount is growing and like is said at a quicker pace every year in 11 years it has gone from being barely over 100 a year to over 10000 a year and more and more are constantly getting into it due to the ever increasing notice of new competitions going on every year. Think about it if it has already grown this fast then it is only going to carry on from here onwards. Thing can only get better from here.
 
PokeCuberAlex said:
Because the amount is growing and like is said at a quicker pace every year in 11 years it has gone from being barely over 100 a year to over 10000 a year and more and more are constantly getting into it due to the ever increasing notice of new competitions going on every year. Think about it if it has already grown this fast then it is only going to carry on from here onwards. Thing can only get better from here.
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It could start decreasing in popularity. It might just stop growing. Only time will tell. It could also slow in its growth.
 
idk

there are negatives to popularity

in the uk competitions are more frequent, so attendance becomes fragmented for many people

I don't know if this means certain people see each other less, but I feel it might

also the signal to noise ratio has been getting more and more skewed, but I don't think that's a valid complaint ("/b/ was never good")
 
tx789 said:
It could start decreasing in popularity. It might just stop growing. Only time will tell. It could also slow in its growth.
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Well next year is looking to be even bigger. With 9 competitions already planned over another month of this year with the rest to build up so again the trend is show no signs of stopping so unlikely chance of that being the case, but like you said only time will well it it's clearly that the growth is not going to stop for a very long time to come.
 
Kirjava said:
idk

there are negatives to popularity

in the uk competitions are more frequent, so attendance becomes fragmented for many people

I don't know if this means certain people see each other less, but I feel it might

also the signal to noise ratio has been getting more and more skewed, but I don't think that's a valid complaint ("/b/ was never good")
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True it can get too noisy and that more people can get in the why of your registration opportunities, but then they can do it in larger rooms where the noise of everyone can be a lot more distant from everyone. Also they can do larger turnouts of 100 or more and bring those events back more often so that more long time competitors can have the chance to compete.
 
It is definitely growing in popularity, with more and more youcubers, cubing making the news, and the rubiks speedcube making more and more people that know about cubing. Even though they don't all take it up, most people still think it's awesome. I think we're all going to be seeing it more often.


But at least the people that already cube will have a huge head start times-wise if it becomes mainstream.
 
Stefan said:
False.



Depends (*), false, false.

(*) on your definition of "far".



False.
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Stefan said:
False.



Depends (*), false, false.

(*) on your definition of "far".



False.
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The WCA has all the proof you need to know If you check and compete the total number of competitors for each and every year, you will find everything I've said to be true. to date nearly 33000 competitors thanks the now 100s of joining in the many weekly competitions to go on each week. Also how would more world wide competitions not add up to more world wide competitors? Again all my proof here in writing. Next time please don't try to claim that someone's wrong without checking first.
 
PokeCuberAlex said:
The WCA has all the proof you need to know If you check and compete the total number of competitors for each and every year, you will find everything I've said to be true. to date nearly 33000 competitors thanks the now 100s of joining in the many weekly competitions to go on each week. Also how would more world wide competitions not add up to more world wide competitors? Again all my proof here in writing. Next time please don't try to claim that someone's wrong without checking first.
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I *had* checked, and you *are* wrong (also about the new claim "nearly 33000 competitors").
 
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Stefan said:
https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/misc/export.html

=> 34287 competitors
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Thank you for giving me the EXACT total amount that even accounted for those who did not compete in 3x3 or who only got DNF's. It was very unclear that you was telling me this due to the way you worded it. You worded it as if I was wrong about the fact that it was growing when all you needed to tell me was that it was much more then those only counted for completing the 3x3 sloves and that you knew how to find that total out. Thanks for very clear on was you meant by the word "false". =)
 
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PokeCuberAlex said:
You worded it as if I was wrong about the fact that it was growing
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I never said you were wrong about it (the number of competitors, or cubing) growing. But you didn't just say that. You said stuff about the growth of the growth, and even about the growth of the growth of the growth. And I pointed out that you're wrong about those. You're also wrong about the number of events (as well as about the number of competitions, in case that's what you actually meant).

Why don't you show us your statistics on which you based your statements? Then we can maybe find the problem. I don't want to guess what you did.

Edit: Oh well, here's mine regarding your "the difference in growth is getting bigger":

Using data from WCA_export504_20141109 and Stefan's WCA Statistics Tools.

[TABLE="class:grid,align:left"]
[TR][TD]Year[/TD][TD]Competitors[/TD][TD]Growth[/TD][TD]Difference
in growth[/TD][TD]How much the
difference
in growth
got bigger[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]1982[/TD][TD="align:right"]19[/TD][TD][/TD][TD][/TD][TD][/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2003[/TD][TD="align:right"]90[/TD][TD="align:right"]71.0[/TD][TD][/TD][TD][/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2004[/TD][TD="align:right"]205[/TD][TD="align:right"]115.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]44.0[/TD][TD][/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2005[/TD][TD="align:right"]548[/TD][TD="align:right"]343.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]228.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]184.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2006[/TD][TD="align:right"]844[/TD][TD="align:right"]296.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-47.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-275.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2007[/TD][TD="align:right"]1498[/TD][TD="align:right"]654.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]358.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]405.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2008[/TD][TD="align:right"]3018[/TD][TD="align:right"]1520.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]866.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]508.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2009[/TD][TD="align:right"]5101[/TD][TD="align:right"]2083.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]563.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-303.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2010[/TD][TD="align:right"]6294[/TD][TD="align:right"]1193.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-890.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-1453.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2011[/TD][TD="align:right"]7316[/TD][TD="align:right"]1022.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-171.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]719.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2012[/TD][TD="align:right"]7912[/TD][TD="align:right"]596.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-426.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-255.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2013[/TD][TD="align:right"]10269[/TD][TD="align:right"]2357.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]1761.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]2187.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2014 (so far)[/TD][TD="align:right"]12412[/TD][TD="align:right"]2143.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-214.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-1975.0[/TD][/TR]
[/TABLE]

Code: 
[NOPARSE]set @c := @g := @gg := @ggg := Null;
select y Year, c Competitors, g Growth, gg 'Difference\nin growth', ggg 'How much the\ndifference\nin growth\ngot bigger' from (
select y, @ggg:=gg-@gg ggg, @gg:=gg gg, @g:=g g, @c:=c c from (
select y, @gg:=g-@g gg, @g:=g g, @c:=c c from (
select y, @g:=c-@c g, @c:=c c from (
select year y, count(distinct personId) c
from Results join Competitions on id=competitionId
group by year
order by year) tmp) tmp2) tmp3) tmp4;[/NOPARSE]

Edit 2: In case you meant number of all-time competitors, i.e., including people who don't compete anymore (didn't sound like it, and it's not a good measure of the size of cubing), you're only wrong about the growth of the growth of the growth:

Using data from WCA_export504_20141109 and Stefan's WCA Statistics Tools.

[TABLE="class:grid,align:left"]
[TR][TD]Until and
including[/TD][TD]Competitors[/TD][TD]Growth[/TD][TD]Difference
in growth[/TD][TD]How much the
difference
in growth
got bigger[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]1982[/TD][TD="align:right"]19[/TD][TD][/TD][TD][/TD][TD][/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2003[/TD][TD="align:right"]107[/TD][TD="align:right"]88.0[/TD][TD][/TD][TD][/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2004[/TD][TD="align:right"]281[/TD][TD="align:right"]174.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]86.0[/TD][TD][/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2005[/TD][TD="align:right"]698[/TD][TD="align:right"]417.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]243.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]157.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2006[/TD][TD="align:right"]1278[/TD][TD="align:right"]580.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]163.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-80.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2007[/TD][TD="align:right"]2293[/TD][TD="align:right"]1015.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]435.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]272.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2008[/TD][TD="align:right"]4467[/TD][TD="align:right"]2174.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]1159.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]724.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2009[/TD][TD="align:right"]8065[/TD][TD="align:right"]3598.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]1424.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]265.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2010[/TD][TD="align:right"]12052[/TD][TD="align:right"]3987.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]389.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-1035.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2011[/TD][TD="align:right"]16359[/TD][TD="align:right"]4307.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]320.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-69.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2012[/TD][TD="align:right"]20739[/TD][TD="align:right"]4380.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]73.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-247.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2013[/TD][TD="align:right"]26907[/TD][TD="align:right"]6168.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]1788.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]1715.0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD="align:right"]2014 (so far)[/TD][TD="align:right"]34287[/TD][TD="align:right"]7380.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]1212.0[/TD][TD="align:right"]-576.0[/TD][/TR]
[/TABLE]

Code: 
[NOPARSE]set @c := @g := @gg := @ggg := Null;

create table YearlyCompetitors
select distinct year, personId from Results join Competitions on Competitions.id=competitionId;

select y 'Until and\including', c Competitors, g Growth, gg 'Difference\nin growth', ggg 'How much the\ndifference\nin growth\ngot bigger' from (
select y, @ggg:=gg-@gg ggg, @gg:=gg gg, @g:=g g, @c:=c c from (
select y, @gg:=g-@g gg, @g:=g g, @c:=c c from (
select y, @g:=c-@c g, @c:=c c from (
select y, count(distinct b.personId) c
from (select distinct year y from YearlyCompetitors) a, YearlyCompetitors b
WHERE b.year <= y
group by y
order by y) tmp) tmp2) tmp3) tmp4;

drop table YearlyCompetitors;[/NOPARSE]
 
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