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Should speed define who is "good" at cubing?
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DAoliHVAR
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cubing is a big term
speedcubing is one thing
fmc is another
solving big complex puzzles nobody has ever seen before is a different thing
for example,super antonio vivaldi can solve a 3x3 in like 2 minutes,but he can also solve a bandaged circle axel mixup plus 11x11
so its not really fair to call him a bad cuber..
speedcubing is one thing
fmc is another
solving big complex puzzles nobody has ever seen before is a different thing
for example,super antonio vivaldi can solve a 3x3 in like 2 minutes,but he can also solve a bandaged circle axel mixup plus 11x11
so its not really fair to call him a bad cuber..
well you can be a good "cuber" without being fast hen you can solve every type of cubes/cuboids without even really thinking about it. but if you are "speedcuber" then it is about the speed in my opinion, cause that is what its all about. for example i average like 19 seconds im like a decent speedcuber i guess, but nothing to special. but when it comes to overall cubing im not that great cause i only do wca puzzles and nothing like shape shifters and all that. crazybadcuber for example is also not the best speedcuber ( i think he gets like 16-17 seconds) but an awesome "cuber" cause he can solve the craziest puzzles no problem.
Sajwo
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The fastest cuber is the best cuber
Antonie faz fan
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if whe are talking about cubers and not speedcubers I think it depends who us the most helpful.
cmhardw
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My perception on this topic is that lots of people who are really fast at speedcubing (pick an event) are very vocal on this forum, so being fast ends up being pretty important. Being "slow" seems to be a term used half-jokingly as an insult, or also as a term to dismiss someone's ideas on cubing. Sadly I think it's always been this way, at least as long as I've been cubing. I've been in both the "fast" cubers camp and the "slow" cubers camp, so I've seen it on both ends. There are lots of us "slow" cubers who still really enjoy cubing, but our voices are not heard as loudly as those who are "fast", those who steer the direction of a lot of the conversations. Just enjoy what you do, and if your enjoyment of cubing doesn't fit the vocal "fast" cubers' mold, then don't worry about it.
elrog
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I nominate this for funniest post of the year.
Escher
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Sure you aren't the best driver, but hey, maybe your love of driving so passionately will inspire millions to improve their own
Anyway, we've had people in the community who were very fast and 'good' at solving, but have had a very negative impact. How you phrase the question makes it as complicated or simple as you like...
Dene
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Lol I can't imagine anyone disregarding your input to any cubing discussion.
CubeSurfer
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When it comes to speedcubing alone, obviously the fastest person is the best. Now going back to having the most fun while cubing, in my personal opinion without having the super fast people to show us that it is possible I would not have as much fun striving to become faster. Hope that made sense?
Bob
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Noah, I just saw this...
Noahaha
blindmod
Finally! I've been waiting for so long.
Weston
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Bob has had way more world records than you. How can he possibly be bad?
deathbypapercutz
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hahaha Noah you're awesome
And just to make this post worthwhile, I'll throw my opinion out there. This discussion is about what being "good at cubing" comprises. There are two salient parts of that phrase: "good" and "cubing". I would consider the "cubing" part to cover any sort of twisty puzzle event, be it 3x3 speedsolve, bigcubes, FMC, or yes, even feet. As for the "good" part, I think being "good" at some activity implies that you are ranked highly among people who partake in that activity by whatever metric that community has decided to use. In this case, that corresponds to some level of WCA ranking, or regularly posting times that correspond to some level of WCA ranking.
That is, if we were talking about the 3x3 speedsolve, I would use the terms "good" and "fast" interchangeably, and if we were talking about FMC, I would use "good" and "finds a lot of really short/clever solutions" interchangeably.
For those of you who are arguing that we might also consider those who are contributing the most to the community or those who are having the most fun, that's very noble, but it isn't strictly cubing. If somebody were very active in organizing well-run competitions, I would say that they were good at organizing competitions, not that they were good at cubing. If somebody had a lot of fun cubing, I would say that they were, well, having a lot of fun cubing. Similarly, if a man with no legs were a great soccer coach and very active in his local soccer community and found a cure for AIDS and had a pot of gold up his butt, he still wouldn't be a good soccer player. Sorry.
[EDIT: that's just how I view the definition of being "good" at something. Other people may have different definitions. But in the end, I don't really care whether people think I'm good at cubing, and neither should you. To me, this is just a purely intellectual discussion on the niceties of the definition of the word "good".]
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IRNjuggle28
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To the people mentioning Bob and Brest, there is a big difference between being good at cubing and being extremely knowledgeable about cubing. Just because someone is a brilliant contributor to the cubing community doesn't mean they're great at cubing. I doubt Verdes, or the owners of Dayan and Moyu, are world class.
You also have to look at your standards of "fast." A 1 minute solver on 3x3 is in the 99th percentile if you are looking at people in general. Just because you're not world class doesn't mean you aren't good. I don't know where people got the idea that you're not a good solver if you're not sub 10. At most, there are 100 people in the world who average under 10. (and don't look at the PBs. Look at the AVERAGE averages.)
Proposing measuring how good you are as a cuber by how much fun you have is pretty silly. Come on.
You also have to look at your standards of "fast." A 1 minute solver on 3x3 is in the 99th percentile if you are looking at people in general. Just because you're not world class doesn't mean you aren't good. I don't know where people got the idea that you're not a good solver if you're not sub 10. At most, there are 100 people in the world who average under 10. (and don't look at the PBs. Look at the AVERAGE averages.)
Proposing measuring how good you are as a cuber by how much fun you have is pretty silly. Come on.
newtonbase
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There is a difference between being good AT cubing and being good FOR cubing. I'm rubbish at cubing as I'm slow, have a high move count and can only solve 3x3 but I've got 5 other people interested in it so I can argue that I'm good for cubing.
tacgnol
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I guess I'll weigh in on this and take the whole thing of how you're even going to define "good" at all. The problem I see with even asking what makes someone good at cubing arises where one doesn't know the definition of "good" in any sense. For example, someone who can't solve the 3x3 will think that someone who can in less than 5 minutes is good. that person will find someone who's just a little over a minute good, and then this continues on until you get to someone who can only see, say, the top 100, or perhaps just 10 cubers in the world as "good". So there's that. To people who will say that I just sound like an idiot, give me a solid threshold for "good" in terms of speedsolving (for the sake of it, let's go with 3x3, if someone chooses to do so). good. not "exceptionally good" or "oh my holy handgrenade how did you do that good". Of course, this same concept would apply to any way you're trying to judge how good someone is, including FMC and BLD capabilities.
Alternatively, one could choose to ignore the whole thing of who's good and who's not, and just enjoy it for what it is. One thing that I've always been worried about is the existence of a "holier-than-thou" attitude amongst people in the community. Be it world record holders, or just top ranked solvers. I might be just overthinking things, but I know it happens in other communities.
Sorry for the bite-sized rant type dealio, but it's sort of almost relevant i suppose.
Alternatively, one could choose to ignore the whole thing of who's good and who's not, and just enjoy it for what it is. One thing that I've always been worried about is the existence of a "holier-than-thou" attitude amongst people in the community. Be it world record holders, or just top ranked solvers. I might be just overthinking things, but I know it happens in other communities.
Sorry for the bite-sized rant type dealio, but it's sort of almost relevant i suppose.
AFatTick
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If you are "speed cubing", I would assume that speed is better? If you are just a puzzle solver, idk.
IRNjuggle28
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If you're a puzzle solver, then a reasonable basis for judgement would be the difficulty of the puzzle.
IRNjuggle28
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It's happened some in this one also. People can ignore it, but people definitely do have pretty strong biases, and a lot of it is linked to how good you are at cubing, or at how your forum posts usually are. If Stephan and RJ said the exact same thing on the exact same thread, I guarantee the reactions to it would be completely different.
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