Should minimum move counts be removed?

[JDAW6]

The problem with random move scramblers is that the probability of 4 movers and the like are not equally distributed.

With your experiment, did you even get a 3 mover? All you demonstrated is what 2x2 would be like with a random move generator.

I got a 4 mover

 

[OtaMota]

I got a 4 mover

And what does that show in a thread dedicated to allowing scrambles easier than that?

 

[cubenerd74]

I agree with this. I don't understand why these limits were put in place in the first place. I get that single records would go down a lot, but IMO they don't matter much anyway in an RNG sport like cubing, and the chance of these short scrambles appearing would be so low that they would be trivial.

 

[Thom S.]

Having the minimum required move count lowered would add the easiest end of the possible state spectrum, thus making the already easy events objectively even easier.

 

[Discomantis]

I would say it should be changed to be higher

4 movers are too rare and it makes the WR single too luck based

 

[baseballjello67]

In 2x2, there are around 3 million possible combinations. And why it may sound silly, it’s possible to get a 0 mover. Simply can’t happen.

 

[DuckubingCuber347]

Getting lucky is not a crime

The regulations set in place a required minimum movecount. Not following this guideline would be a cubing crime.

 

[Abram Grimsley]

It's a simple answer to a simple question: No.

 

[OtaMota]

The regulations set in place a required minimum movecount.

And in what way are regulations not allowed to change?

 

[quanloh]

Lower/remove the number for better chance of world records? You must have forgotten something.

WCA guideline & regulation is meant for competition, and guess what's the purpose of a competition? It's to find the best competitor among competitors.

Indeed with a smaller minimum number, we can have even faster record, but does it makes the event more competitive? No. We are currently still only register up to 0.01s accuracy, with a 3 mover or a 2 mover (for 2x2), top solvers will most likely getting the same results, which defeat the whole purpose of having a competition.

Ultimately a competition is to find the best competitor among competitors. With a higher number, there is higher chance we get to find who's the bestest among the best.

So, in my opinion, it's a hard no. In fact it's quite the opposite now, if the top levels continue to be this saturated, the minimum number should be raised.

 

[OtaMota]

Ultimately a competition is to find the best competitor among competitors. With a higher number, there is higher chance we get to find who's the bestest among the best.

And what wins comps, Single, or average? What do we use to determine who is best?

 

[quanloh]

And what wins comps, Single, or average? What do we use to determine who is best?

Average, but that's not contradicting to what I reply.
Top solvers are getting more and more similar times, both singles and average.
We actually needs higher minimum numbers to raise the difficulties, for both singles and average.

 

[OtaMota]

Average, but that's not contradicting to what I reply.
Top solvers are getting more and more similar times, both singles and average.
We actually needs higher minimum numbers to raise the difficulties, for both singles and average.

Why artificialy make an event harder? If a puzzle is capable of realistically having 2-3 movers in comp, why disallow it? It is the nature of the puzzle.

 

[quanloh]

Ultimately a competition is to find the best competitor among competitors. With a higher number, there is higher chance we get to find who's the bestest among the best.

We put in effort to explain things, we don't expect every kids to know everything, but please put in effort to read and digest what we write.
(Never thought I would need to quote myself one day）

 

[OtaMota]

How high should the minimum move count be to find the best person?

 

[quanloh]

Please figure out by yourself.
If you insist and think your "idea" is correct, there is no need for discussion.
Please engage WCA for rule & regulation change.

And their will politely reject, or maybe ignore.
And if you dont agree with the rules and regulation, please dont take part of any comp, this applies to everything in your life.

 

[Zagros]

I support Skewb minimum movecount goes to 5. Seven has always seemed totally ridiculous.

 

[Thom S.]

And what wins comps, Single, or average? What do we use to determine who is best?

The only comp wins that matter WITHIN the community are Worlds(and US/Europe Nationals for some) for most events. Competition wins are never used to determine who is the more capable cuber.
As for Singles or Averages, you likely have multiple People memorised that held the 3x3 Single World Record at one point. How many 3x3 Average Record holders that aren't Feliks or Max do you know? Likely few, since for 3x3, the single is the most prestiges record, despite everybody knowing how luck based it is.
Similar Situation for 2x2, except for 'the first sub 1 average' what happeed with the average world record in the last decade? Gets lowered by a few hundreds, maybe a tenth, many don't even notice. But the single gets broken, that's a big event.

I don't like it either, but matter of fact, Single Results get exponentially more praise than they should and more praise than their corresponding average results.

 

[JDAW6]

The only comp wins that matter WITHIN the community are Worlds(and US/Europe Nationals for some)

Bro just insulted 4 continents in 17 words.

 

[Thom S.]

Bro just insulted 4 continents in 17 words.

I think I insulted the entire world in 11 Words, actually.