# Sebastián Pino Castillo Clock WRs Invalid

#### Lucas Garron

##### Member
Yes, you do.
There's a difference between "easy solve" and "lucky scramble", although they overlap. Adjacent solved pieces tend to be lucky for most cubers.

#### qqwref

##### Member
Right, I don't see anything wrong with those scrambles themselves. If they were created by the WCA program in the normal way (*), I think they're totally fine and you're not "highly dishonest" if you use and keep them.
We'll just have to disagree then - for me, keeping extremely inherently easy scrambles/averages is entirely a question of fairness.

Let's give Feliks scrambles where color-neutral cross needs 9qtm and see how well he can solve cross and look ahead to F2L
I can't see how that would force him to lose more than 1 second if he's on top of his game. Assuming Feliks averages about 8 seconds, I can easily generate many very easy scrambles which would usually take him about 4 seconds. But there is no way I can see to generate a scramble which would usually take him about 12 seconds - such a scramble probably does not exist at all.

I have a slight problem with "easy scrambles". Doesn't it depend on what method you use?
We're talking about inherently easy scrambles, which tend to give easy times for most people, and they certainly do exist. (This differs from scrambles which give normal times to most people, but end up giving you a very fast time because of the specific way you solved it.) Still, it's always possible to use a method that ignores the easiness of a scramble.

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#### Stefan

##### Member
We'll just have to disagree then - for me, keeping extremely inherently easy scrambles/averages is entirely a question of fairness.
For me, too

If you keep them for everybody, then everybody has the same chance to get them. If at one competition "easy scrambles" are kept but at another, equivalent scrambles are removed, that creates an unfairness. And since you want to remove some scrambles but not all, you have to draw a line somewhere. Where's that line? Any "easy" scramble (and what exactly is "easy"?)? Two or more in an average? Three? Four? Five? Where? And how do you know at another competition they draw the exact same line, so that everybody has the same chance?

I can't see how that would force him to lose more than 1 second if he's on top of his game. Assuming Feliks averages about 8 seconds, I can easily generate many very easy scrambles which would usually take him about 4 seconds. But there is no way I can see to generate a scramble which would usually take him about 12 seconds - such a scramble probably does not exist at all.
Well, nobody said they're as hard as others are easy, or as unfair as easy ones can be.

The question arose with irontwig asking about removing too hard scrambles as well. Feliks is far ahead right now, but imagine there's someone equally fast and then Feliks keeps getting such scrambles that consistently cause him to take a second longer. You don't think that's an unfair disadvantage, and he shouldn't get those scrambles?

#### qqwref

##### Member
If you keep them for everybody, then everybody has the same chance to get them. If at one competition "easy scrambles" are kept but at another, equivalent scrambles are removed, that creates an unfairness. And since you want to remove some scrambles but not all, you have to draw a line somewhere. Where's that line? Any "easy" scramble (and what exactly is "easy"?)? Two or more in an average? Three? Four? Five? Where? And how do you know at another competition they draw the exact same line, so that everybody has the same chance?
You can't draw a mathematical line, it has to be at the discretion of the delegate, who should understand this type of thing. A 3x3 which has a 13f* solution is probably okay, unless it has tons of blocks; a 3x3 which has a 5f* solution is definitely not okay. And I only think things that are extremely unlikely should be removed - one in a million level stuff. Like an entire average being made of 1-in-20 easy scrambles, or a 3x3 with a 5f* solution.

I don't think anyone really wants to get such easy scrambles anyway. You might get a WR, but what would you say about it when asked? Unless you were super arrogant, you'd tell everyone "yeah, but it was an incredibly easy scramble/group of scrambles". And then your WR is worth as much as 2x2 single.

Well, nobody said they're as hard as others are easy, or as unfair as easy ones can be.

The question arose with irontwig asking about removing too hard scrambles as well.
Exactly. The point I was making about scrambles being as hard as others are easy is that easy scrambles can have far more effect on times, and so there's no point in removing hard scrambles. A one-in-a-million lucky hard scramble is maybe slightly worse (and it depends how you solve it anyway), but a one-in-a-million lucky easy scramble is obviously better, and by far. If someone gets lots of hard scrambles, sorry, but that's just how luck is - I'm not talking about drastically altering the probability landscape, just removing some outliers.

#### Erik

##### Member
Hey I tend to be proud of my 2x2 WR!
I'm convinced it took skill to be able to do it this fast, and also a lot of skill to be able to predict it.
Anyway, my attitude towards this would probably be different if my WR would be one of 4 moves instead of 7 where it takes less skill to do it so fast and less cube know-how to be able to predict the solution...

#### AustinReed

##### Member
What was the solution of your WR, Erik?

#### TMOY

##### Member
¿ its magic ?
The same scramble showing up more than once ? Of course it's magic. Or master magic, maybe.

#### Kirjava

##### Colourful
I think 4 move 2x2x2 WR would be impressive if it was sub 0.5 or something.

#### Stefan

##### Member
You can't draw a mathematical line, it has to be at the discretion of the delegate, who should understand this type of thing. A 3x3 which has a 13f* solution is probably okay, unless it has tons of blocks; a 3x3 which has a 5f* solution is definitely not okay. And I only think things that are extremely unlikely should be removed - one in a million level stuff. Like an entire average being made of 1-in-20 easy scrambles, or a 3x3 with a 5f* solution.
How are the delegates supposed to know they shall do this? I think the regulations don't say anything about it, and I believe we talked about it in the WCA forum and nothing came out of it. Everything points to using what the WCA gives you, not overruling the WCA.

A 5f* isn't one-in-a-million, btw, more like one-in-100000000-million.

#### Kirjava

##### Colourful
Potentially innappropriate;

SebastianPino: kirjava, if you want to speak with me, please, spit all the [ejaculate] you have in your mouth

I was asking him about the clock stuff on TTW. This was just particularly funny

#### qqwref

##### Member
How are the delegates supposed to know they shall do this? I think the regulations don't say anything about it, and I believe we talked about it in the WCA forum and nothing came out of it. Everything points to using what the WCA gives you, not overruling the WCA.
This is a suggestion for future WCA/delegate behavior, not a suggestion for current delegate behavior.

A 5f* isn't one-in-a-million, btw, more like one-in-100000000-million.
Since 100000000 million is more than 1 million, my point stands about 5f* being astronomically lucky.

#### Andrew Ricci

##### Anonymity is for Nubs
Here's the entire thing. A lot of it is in Spanish, but the important stuff is in English or can easily be translated.

[Kirjava joined the game]
[Kirjava is kibitzing]
PauRubik: lo tienes un poco dificil...
Amkor: Pino! Estoy contigo!
Kirjava: lol sebastian pino
[Amkor left the game]
[prolig joined the game]
[Amkor joined the game]
SebastianPino: la verdad triunfara ante esos falsantes
[Amkor is kibitzing]
PauRubik: quienes son los falsantes?
Kirjava: Hey Pino, **** you
SebastianPino: me tendrian que dar la gracias porque iban a echar todo chile si no llega a ser por mi
[PauRubik is kibitzing]
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: kirjava, if you want to speak with me, please, spit all the cum you have in your mouth
AndrewR: Hey Thom.
AndrewR: <3
Kirjava: Why? I like cum
PauRubik: madre de dios, esto se calienta...
SebastianPino: Im sure
prolig: hola
PauRubik: sebastian, contestame porfavor, quienes son los falsantes
prolig: ostia sebastian pino
Kirjava: There's no way the WCA would punish all cubers
[Robert joined the game]
prolig: es el de verdad? XD?
[Robert is kibitzing]
Kirjava: ofc
SebastianPino: todos los acusadores que se inventaron lo de los scrambles, que tome una imagen
SebastianPino: eso es falso
Kirjava: yah
prolig: ostia si que es el de verdad xD
PauRubik: seguro?
Kirjava: WRs were falso <3
PauRubik: como lo puedes demostrar?
[Kirjava is playing]
Amkor: Pino
Amkor: Metete un Pino
SebastianPino: con los videos
prolig: jajajja
[New scramble!]
prolig: puto Amkor
SebastianPino: ademas dijo francisco que tenia una foto mia con los crambles de clock
SebastianPino: la habeis visto?
Amkor: xD
[Amkor left the game]
SebastianPino: amkor, atragantate con un pepino infectado español
[Deluchie joined the game]
prolig: Pino machote que te han pillao con el carrito del helao como se dice aqui xD
SebastianPino: habeis visto la foto de francisco?
Kirjava: Hey sebastian, did you cheat to get your WRs? Or were they legit?
[DWoner joined the game]
SebastianPino: envidioso
SebastianPino: of course kirjava
PauRubik: escucha,ssinceramente, te pillaron, y tienes todas las del mundo en contra...
[danthecuber joined the game]
AndrewR: Wonie? You too? This is awesome!
danthecuber: hai
prolig: pero tio si no es por el WE
prolig: WR*
prolig: lo digo por qe luego
DWoner: andrew you're anoncuber right?
SebastianPino: solo digo que si habeis visto la foto de francisco
prolig: te dedicas a banear a gente
[Kirjava is kibitzing]
SebastianPino: la ha visto alguien?
Kirjava: You mean of course you cheated?
[danthecuber is kibitzing]
SebastianPino: of course cum is your favourite food
AndrewR: Yes, I am David.
[New scramble!]
prolig: mira sebastian
SebastianPino: gallegos, habeis visto vosotros la foto de francisco?
danthecuber: cum is delicious
PauRubik: eh eh, respeto.
prolig: no se si hiciste trampas o no
prolig: pero eres un payaso
Kirjava: Why are you so obsessed with cum?
Worms: dios, esto está lleno de maricones
Kirjava: want me to give you a blowjob?
prolig: jajaja worms xD
prolig: desde luego
Kirjava: naaah
prolig: estos guiris XD
Kirjava: you're the one that mentioned cum
SebastianPino: danthegay
prolig: Pino tio aparte del WR eres un payasete tio y lo estas demostrando
Worms: sorry guys, but, are you all gays?
SebastianPino: kirgaya
SebastianPino: tu si que eres un payaso
danthecuber: sebastian: lol?
Kirjava: What's wrong with being gay?
SebastianPino: te he insultado yo a ti?
SebastianPino: nothing
[New scramble!]
prolig: Pues a mi no pero a mi inteligencia si
SebastianPino: worms says you all are gay
PauRubik: has dicho gallegos
Worms: nothing, only curiosity
PauRubik: eso es una falta de respeto
Worms: calla calla
Worms: que como se meta ernesto se lia la de dios
PauRubik: yo a ti no te he llamado nada, solo por tu nombre, cosa que quizas ni deberia, ya que eres un TRAMPOSO
prolig: pero tio
Kirjava: Le puedo mostrar fotos de mi verga si te gusta <3
SebastianPino: una falta de respeto es que digais que he hecho trampas cuando las pruebas que hay son insuficientes
prolig: pero tio si yo lo digo por lo de los bans que hiciste en la web
PauRubik: hahah, pero si hay para dar y regalar
SebastianPino: sorry kirjava, i left the microscope at home
Deluchie: TOO MUCH SPANISH!!!!!
prolig: qe es de ser tonto
Kirjava: ahaha
DWoner: lolandrew
prolig: y luego ya lo de la previsualizacion del clock
prolig: es la ostia
Kirjava: ¿Puedo ver la foto de tu polla en lugar entonces?
prolig: al menos
[New scramble!]
prolig: tirate 5 segundos
SebastianPino: prolig tienes envidia de que nadie te ha hecho a ti moderador en un foro
SebastianPino: seguro que hasta te banearon
PauRubik: yo si fuera tu, es mejor decir la verdad, decir que has hecho trampa y dedicarte a otra cosa, y dejar este mundo del cubo.
SebastianPino: el cloc es sencillo de mirar
SebastianPino: yo he dicho la verdad
prolig: para un skip no
prolig: y lo sabes
prolig: mira y encima vacilon
DWoner: lol
PauRubik: dejalo, lo veremos en 2013 competir.
SebastianPino: pero si hay skip es al principio y es lo mas sencillo
prolig: no si yo soi un mierdas
prolig: pero no me gusta
prolig: que se hagan trampas
SebastianPino: ves los números iguales
AndrewR: Nice 8, David.
SebastianPino: sabes que empiezas por ahi
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: para que voy a mirarlo 5 segundos
prolig: Pino tio
PauRubik: sebastian, sinceramente, dices que este mundo ( el del cubo) esta lleno de tramposos, dejalo y asi nos dejas a nosotros en paz
prolig: Si eres tan tonto no me extraña
PauRubik: haciendo trampas que nos lo pasamos bien en los campeonatos
SebastianPino: prolig si no haces cubos ponte kibitzing
[prolig is kibitzing]
prolig: y tu si vas a hacer trampas ponte DNF no te jode
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: prolig yo a ti no te he insultado
SebastianPino: me faltas el respeto
Worms: y pa que baneas a carlos si nisiquiera escribió en el foro?
prolig: macho te lo vuelvo a repetir
SebastianPino: se metio conmigo y iba a escribir caca
prolig: a mi no a mi inteligencia
SebastianPino: tu no tienes inteligencia
SebastianPino: no puedo insultarla
prolig: jaja mira chaval
prolig: si de verdad no hiciste trampas
PauRubik: dejalo, prolig, aqui puede hacer tiempos pero en la WCA no
prolig: no me extraña
[New scramble!]
prolig: qe te manipularan todo eso
SebastianPino: ya lo corregiran y me tendreis que pedir perdon
prolig: con lo tocawebos qe eers
Kirjava: Sebastián: Creo que eres sexy
SebastianPino: tocahuevos vosotros yo estoy haciendo cubos
PauRubik: si si.
SebastianPino: y pronto hare cubos en otras competencias
prolig: para que tio?
PauRubik: si si, de público
Worms: ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz
Kirjava: Todo lo que hacemos es el turno de mí en
prolig: estudiate unos cuantos scrambles hombre
[New scramble!]
prolig: y intenta batir a feliks
Worms: http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/forums/style_emoticons/others/popcorn.gif
SebastianPino: y habeis visto que muchos chilenos me defienden porque saben que no hice trampas
prolig: si con muchos te refieres a Matias
Kirjava: CASARTE CONMIGO
prolig: wors
prolig: worms
prolig: andas por ai?
Worms: si
Worms: dime
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: no mires en rubikaz que eso apesta
PauRubik: el único que te defiende es Matías y no se porque lo hace
prolig: qe digo qe porcierto qe encantado de conocerte xD
SebastianPino: ahi solo esta matias pero porque es un tramposo
prolig: qe siempre te habia visto por el foro
SebastianPino: pronto lo vereis que hay videos
prolig: y tenia ganas de hablar contigo
Worms: matias y los paletos del foro
prolig: aunque fuera por chat xD
Worms: y tu quien eres?
Worms: xd
Worms: ajaj
Worms: es broma
prolig: jaja
PauRubik: venga, bona nit
Worms: eres prolig, a que si? xd
prolig: un chavalin del foro
prolig: si xD
PauRubik: este especimen no se merece ni que le hablemos
Worms:
Worms: prolog?
Worms: porque?
[New scramble!]
Kirjava: Sebastian: anyway, ou wanna explain what exactly happened?
Kirjava: I'm quite interested
AndrewR: Me too
SebastianPino: there are two groups of chilean cubers
prolig: bueno aora va a contar el cuento
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: the other groups always says the we are cheating
SebastianPino: i get the wR
SebastianPino: they were jealous
Kirjava: but, it looks like you are cheating
SebastianPino: and they told a lot of thing tha were not true
prolig: si claro que si tio
Kirjava: what wasn't true?
prolig: hay dos
prolig: los cuberos
prolig: y tu!!!!!
SebastianPino: all thing they say
Kirjava: what about the time you told a judge that the clock you were inspecting was scrambled wrong?
PauRubik: que vaya escampando la mierda que dice, nosotros sabemos la verdad.
[Amkor joined the game]
PauRubik: ahi ahi Kirjava!
Worms: a ver
SebastianPino: it is false
Worms: eres un tramposo y punto
[Amkor is kibitzing]
[PauRubik left the game]
Worms: si quieres llovrar te vas a tu mami o a la wca
SebastianPino: y tu un gusano
Kirjava: what about thhe fact that all the scrambles were stupidly easy
prolig: JAJAJAJAAJJAJAJAJAAJAJJJAJAJAJAJA
Worms: y tu un pepino
prolig: jajajajajaajajajjajajja
prolig: eso eso viva el pepino Español xD
Amkor: xD
[New scramble!]
prolig: qe esta en crisis
Worms: Sebastian Pepino
prolig: jajajaj
SebastianPino: it is not my fault the easy scrambles
Worms: tu provocaste lo de la estirichia colli o como se escriba, que dicen que sale de excrementos
Worms: como te metes los pepinos por el culo
SebastianPino: Is it a fault to be lucky?
prolig: tio
[Deluchie left the game]
Kirjava: I'm saying that it wasn't luck
[Deluchie joined the game]
prolig: una cosaes suerte
[New scramble!]
prolig: y luego encima
prolig: tu traiste los scrambles
prolig: o eso dicen
SebastianPino: los scrambles los genere en el campeonato
prolig: tio hay fotoas
prolig: fotos
prolig: qe ponen qe son de la noche anterior
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: he preguntado antes si habeis visto esas fotos
prolig: yo si
SebastianPino: porque dicen que hay fotos
SebastianPino: pero las habeis visto?
SebastianPino: pues enseñame las fotos
prolig: yooooooooooooooooo si
Kirjava: yes, we say that you generated the scrambles
prolig: y es que encima
SebastianPino: que has visto a ver que demuestran
Worms: no es para defender a nadie
SebastianPino: enseña las fotos
Worms: pero da igual cuando se generen los scrambles
prolig: buscalas tu
SebastianPino: ves?
Worms: lo raro es que si hay fotos del dia anterior, alguien mas tenia acceso a los scrambles :S
SebastianPino: no existen las fotos
[New scramble!]
prolig: qe te paso el link
SebastianPino: kirjava, yes, i generated the scrambles with the WCA program
Kirjava: But what about hte fact that you turn the clock so slowly
[SebastianPino is kibitzing]
[New scramble!]
prolig: disimula al menos xD
SebastianPino: Eduard Chambon turned the cube slow when he got the WR average
SebastianPino: was he cheating?
[Robert left the game]
Kirjava: no, but the solves that you didn't setup were the same speed
Kirjava: or turning
Kirjava: and those times are about 11 seconds
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: and?
[dancohen joined the game]
SebastianPino: prolig, y las fotos?
Kirjava: I think you really average about 11 seconds
AndrewR: That can't be compared with current WRs.
prolig: las estoi buscando
[rabux joined the game]
prolig: es que vuestro foro es una jungla xD
[rabux is kibitzing]
SebastianPino: I will prove that i am not a cheater very soon
SebastianPino: wait a month
Kirjava: Sebastian: What about where you did a noflip solve and only looked at the back side for less than a second?
[New scramble!]
Kirjava: cool
[Deluchie is kibitzing]
[DWoner left the game]
Kirjava: I'm looking forward to the proof
SebastianPino: kirjava, it is a new method
Kirjava: oh really?
Kirjava: that sounds interesting
SebastianPino: yes
Kirjava: can you tell me more
Deluchie: Sebastian i've got a solution for you! Leave TTW for now :O Breaking news!
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: no, because i dont want anybody learn it
AndrewR: Hey Dan.
prolig: esa es otra pino
Kirjava: Can you give me the gist?
prolig: es el mismo scramble
SebastianPino: i got worse time the second time
SebastianPino: if i prepare the scarmble, i will get better time
[New scramble!]
SebastianPino: prolig, las fotos que?
SebastianPino: quien miente ahora?
SebastianPino: tienes fotos pero no aparecen
prolig: te quieres esperar
SebastianPino: kirjava i told you that my method is a secret
prolig: http://www.rubikaz.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8778&start=15
[danthecuber left the game]
prolig: ai tienes una
prolig: si bajas para abajo la veras
SebastianPino: if i speak about it, maybe someone can break my WR
prolig: pero espera
[clincher joined the game]
Kirjava: Sebastian: are you solving more than one clock at the same time?
[antoineccantin joined the game]
Amkor: seba.. Estas en espania?
[New scramble!]
prolig: ai tambien
prolig: estan
SebastianPino: it will be again, you have to wait a month
SebastianPino: when i prove im not a cheater
SebastianPino: prolig, yo solo veo una foto de unos clocks
SebastianPino: no veo una foto mia haciendo trampa
[Worms joined the game]
[Worms joined the game]
Kirjava: tell me, does the method involve solving multiple things at once?
[Hershey joined the game]
Kirjava: we should paste these delicous logs on the forums
AndrewR: +1
[Hershey left the game]
Worms: me cai
SebastianPino: you cant prove im the real sebastian pino!
Worms: ha dicho algo nuevo el melo este?
[Worms is kibitzing]
SebastianPino:
Worms: melon
AndrewR: OHNOES!!!!1111!!!!
[New scramble!]
Amkor: quee
Worms: hola
[dancohen is kibitzing]
prolig: si bastantes cosas worms
prolig: sigue llorando xD
Kirjava: Sebastian: I can think of something that could be better than the pochmann method
prolig: qe va
SebastianPino: prolig, he visto las fotos
SebastianPino: estas fotos no prueban nada
Kirjava: can I tell it to you somewhere in private and you can tell me if I'm correct?
SebastianPino: yo puedo crear un pantallazo con archivos que yo me invente
SebastianPino: ahi no se vea que yo haya creado esos archivos
prolig: mira tio
[New scramble!]
clincher: ten verguenza Sebastian, es obvio
prolig: para que monten este pifostio para joderte
prolig: hay 3 razones
prolig: 1 has hecho trampas
SebastianPino: kirjava, people though that there was not anything better than old blindfold methods
SebastianPino: and now there are better methods
Kirjava: No they didn't?
Kirjava: People always think that methods can be improved
prolig: 2 Eres un payaso como estas demostrando y se debieron pillar tal cabreo y aun asi lo dudo
prolig: y 3
Kirjava: I'm trying to go along with you on this
[AndrewR is kibitzing]
prolig: has hecho trampas y encima eres un payaso
dancohen: uh sebastian
Kirjava: you don't have to tell me, maybe I can even help you improve it
[Deluchie left the game]
dancohen: chris has been using BH since 2006
dancohen: there's nothing "new" today
prolig: y luego lo de los baneos
SebastianPino: i say older methods
Worms: prolig, en la 2 y la 3 lo has llamado pallaso
Worms: payaso
Kirjava: w/e, I can wait a month XD
antoineccantin: scramble?
Worms: joder
SebastianPino: prolig es un analfabeto que no sabe escribir
Worms: la 3 es una mezcla de la 1 y la 2
Kirjava: Sebastian: does it allow you to have a lower movecount?
prolig: qe dices tio
prolig: pone payaso Worms xD
SebastianPino: ok kirjave, you will have to give me apologizes
SebastianPino: kirjava, yes
clincher: hahaha. ni ingles sabe y le dice al otro analfabeto
Worms: si, ya, pero digo que la 3 es una mezcla de la 1 y la 2
[AndrewR is playing]
SebastianPino: el otro no sabe ni castellano
prolig: muy bien worms
Kirjava: I'll send you pictures of my dick instead
SebastianPino: que escribe pallaso
prolig: son las 2
Kirjava: anyway
prolig: por eso te digo
SebastianPino: kirjava i dont have a microscope
Kirjava: you already used that joke once
SebastianPino: you also used the same joke
Kirjava: what joke?
prolig: kirjava he repeats the thinks
Kirjava: huh?
prolig: like he do with the clock and
Kirjava: it was a serious offer, as dan will tell you
prolig: with the scrambles
AndrewR: I'm sorry, I'm not the host anymore.
SebastianPino: you have said twice you will send a photo of your micropenis
Kirjava: it wasn't a joke
SebastianPino: then you are very stupid
Kirjava: why?
SebastianPino: you are so stupid that you can understand why
clincher: can or can't?
SebastianPino: cant
Kirjava: silly and stupid are different things
SebastianPino: you are both things
Kirjava: very nice
Kirjava: anyway
AndrewR: Clincher, can you please kubitz if you aren't solving?
antoineccantin: clincher: SCRAMBLE!!!
Kirjava: come on the speedsolving chat room so we can talk in private
SebastianPino: you want to show me your penis?
[Kurama joined the game]
Kirjava: no, I want to talk about the WCA
[clincher is kibitzing]
[New scramble!]
[clincher is playing]
SebastianPino: i will send my proves to WCA next week
[clincher is kibitzing]
clincher: i dont know how this works...
[Kurama is kibitzing]
Kirjava: come talk to me in private, it'll be worth your while
Kirjava: maybe I can help people believe in you :O
SebastianPino: i dont need it
SebastianPino: thanks
[New scramble!]
prolig: Kurama si vienes a cubear aqui ai un lio xD
[clincher left the game]
Kurama: Hi! I've just registered
[New scramble!]
Kirjava: ok, well I have all I need here
[antoineccantin is kibitzing]
Kirjava: time to paste this on the forum
[Kurama is playing]
prolig: Hi
Worms: ostias
SebastianPino: hi
prolig: Kurama you are ting no?
Kurama: yes, I am
SebastianPino: kirjava, are you sure i am sebastianpino?
prolig: a va
Worms: mira prolig, kurama no imprimió los scambles de murcia el dia del campeonato!!!
Worms: ajaja
prolig: jajajajaj
[New scramble!]
Kurama:
SebastianPino: if somebody ask me if i wrote it, i will tell i was not
prolig: si yo lo ago por liarla un poco xD
prolig: si seguro qe no es ni sebastian xD
Worms: aparte, kurama ganó en 4x4
Kirjava: I'm sure they will believe it
Worms: fijo que se aprendio los scrambles
Kirjava: AHAHAHAHA
AndrewR: <3 Kir
Kurama: how works the timer?
Worms: control
prolig: ctrl
Worms: hasta que se ponga verde
AndrewR: Hold down ctrl
SebastianPino: me tengo que ir
SebastianPino: chaito
[SebastianPino left the game]

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#### Kirjava

##### Colourful
oh god I'm a slut

#### Andrew Ricci

##### Anonymity is for Nubs
No. You logon and said "Hey Pino, **** you ".
And, shortly after, he began asking him about clock. He didn't say it was entirely clock related.

Plus, he put a smiley face.

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#### Kirjava

##### Colourful
No. You logon and said "Hey Pino, **** you ".

#### demma

##### Member
I deleted my post because this crap is just personal stuff, not even related with clock, competitions or the WCA.
And I don't know if that chat conversation was real. I'm not interested in feeding stuff like this.

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