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Sebastián Pino Castillo Clock WRs Invalid

Bapao

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Why not prohibit delegates from participating in a competition that they're providing scrambles for altogether? It's not like the ref. of a soccer match can just punt a goal that actually counts.
 

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Why not prohibit delegates from participating in a competition that they're providing scrambles for altogether? It's not like the ref. of a soccer match can just punt a goal that actually counts.
That is completely unfair for the delegate.
 

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For faking a world record, the faker should be lifetime banned and not for two years.
I just flew over the thread, and was shocked by the facts. I pretty much like the idea of the Scramble database held by the WCA.
 

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Why not prohibit delegates from participating in a competition that they're providing scrambles for altogether? It's not like the ref. of a soccer match can just punt a goal that actually counts.
Poor analogy. Refs get paid to officiate matches, that is the ONLY reason they are there. Delegates are not paid. If a delegate cannot compete then why would they sacrifice their time and money to go to a competition?
 

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You can't be sure the delegate is not talking to a competitior about the scramlbe, or easiest color...
The method described few posts ago has an idea of premoves. Premoves would not solve the problem cause delegate can do the already known scramble backwards, which would result in a 5-move-far-from-solved position. Guys who are good at FMC(use premoves) know what I mean.
Why can't delegate generate and print scrambles right before the event?
 

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Poor analogy. Refs get paid to officiate matches, that is the ONLY reason they are there. Delegates are not paid. If a delegate cannot compete then why would they sacrifice their time and money to go to a competition?
Couldn't scrambles be provided more or less "last minute" by someone that isn't a participant then?
 

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Couldn't scrambles be provided more or less "last minute" by someone that isn't a participant then?
Which someone? The delegate could just get their cheating friend to "generate" them. I think we just have to trust in our current system, if we need to make up some complex method to ensure trust in scrambles, what is the point of the delegate?
 

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It almost feels like cheating is something you just have to live with and try to disqualify later. You cant eliminate luck even from averages, and it sounds stupid but maybe we just have to face that one in every 100 WR's might just be fake, and take them with a pinch of salt. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to stop it but we kind of risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Lets face it were never going to go as far as blood testing, and were never going to eliminate ALL cheaters.
 

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These delegates are placed in a position of trust, to ensure that a competition runs smoothly and 99.9% of the time they do because we have rules and delegates to ensure that they are upheld. The fact that situations like this happen so infrequently proves that the system works. If this was a common issue then looking at how competitions are conducted by delegates would definitely need redressing.

What happened in Chile, I believe, is a very rare occurrence. Most of us as cubers, including the delegates, have the same ethos where we want to see events fun fairly without corruption. Unfortunately, corruption has reared its ugly head in cubing and a delegate has abused the position he holds to gain an unfair advantage. I bet it happens a lot more in other sports!

The situation has been dealt with. I know a lot of you may think that Sebastián's punishment is to lenient, maybe it is but this is without taking into consideration of the underlying consequences of this scandal that he is going to have to carry with him long after he has served his ban, he is going to have quite a cross to bear for the rest of his life.

I think the situation has been dealt with to a satisfactory standard by the WCA. Well done to them for dealing with the situation and to Dan for stepping up to the mark and doing the right thing. This proves that you cannot and will not get away with cheating, the WCA and competitors alike take a very dim view of it and if it did happen again, I’m certain that it would quickly come to light and would be dealt with in the same manner. This is all proves that the current system works. We should move on and be careful not to tar people with the same brush because of their nationality or their status as delegates.

Let’s hope that this never happens again.
 
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Couldn't the scrambles be generated as the cubes are being scrambled? Have someone bring a laptop with a random scramble generator on it and use that
 

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I know a lot of you may think that Sebastien's punishment is to lenient, maybe it is but this is without taking into consideration of the underlying consequences of this scandal that he is going to have to carry with him long after he has served his ban, he is going to have quite a cross to bear for the rest of his life.
lol, could you PLEASE refer to the right person? Thank you! :D

On topic: I really hope this story will not put too much doubt in the work of other delegates.

I can understand that world class results set on self-provided scrambles can provoke some doubt. I'm very happy that my 24 move FMC solution comes from a Dutch competition, as well as 4 of 5 sub30 solution in total.

Concerning scrambles I usually print them together with at least one organisation team member the day before the competition and I make sure that noone, including me, sees them again before the event starts in the competition.
 

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I love the idea of the "Salt" algorithm (where does that word come from anyway?).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography)

Which someone? The delegate could just get their cheating friend to "generate" them.
Not if the WCA chooses the other person. Delegate could get the scrambles in an encrypted zip-file, the other chosen person could get the password.

The fact that situations like this happen so infrequently proves that the system works.
How do you know that it *happens* infrequently? All I can see is that it is *detected* infrequently. How does that prove that the system works?
 

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Not if the WCA chooses the other person. Delegate could get the scrambles in an encrypted zip-file, the other chosen person could get the password.
This is good idea.
How about having two delegates on each competition, the WCA board send the encrypted zip file scrambles to one delegate , and send the another one the password?
 

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This is good idea.
How about having two delegates on each competition, the WCA board send the encrypted zip file scrambles to one delegate , and send the another one the password?
It's difficult enough to sometimes get one delegate for a competition. (Three Vancouver competitions needed Dave to fly across Canada for them)
 

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lol, could you PLEASE refer to the right person? Thank you! :D
My apologies Sébastien, I have edited my post just in case there is any confusion.



How do you know that it *happens* infrequently? All I can see is that it is *detected* infrequently. How does that prove that the system works?
Stefan, I think your reply was very rude and patronizing. I don’t know that it happens infrequently, no one can really say for sure. I was attempting to voice my opinion and I got slapped down in doing so. Thank you very much.
 

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Stefan, I think your reply was very rude and patronizing. I don’t know that it happens infrequently, no one can really say for sure. I was attempting to voice my opinion and I got slapped down in doing so. Thank you very much.
You're a Storm Trooper, you can stomach harder shots than that right? ;)
He's got a point though...
 

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You're a Storm Trooper, you can stomach harder shots than that right? ;)
He's got a point though...
Stormtroopers cannot take shots fullstop!!! No matter where we get hit we always go down! I don't know why we even bother with armour!

Stefan might have a point but he get it across without being so arrogant!!!
 

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Stormtroopers cannot take shots fullstop!!! No matter where we get hit we always go down! I don't know why we even bother with armour!

Stefan might have a point but he get it across without being so arrogant!!!
Now you have a point too ;)

Yeah. But I think Stefan is actually a stranded Vulcan in disguise.
 
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