[WR] Sam Zhixiao Wang Clock single 5.88

[Tao Yu]

Well..

A6e) The competitor must not touch or move the puzzle until the judge has inspected the puzzle. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.

I think the point of having this rule is: It makes sure for definite that the competitor did not change the state of the puzzle before the judge has inspected.

If the rule was:The competitor must not change the state of the puzzle until the judge has inspected the puzzle, it would make it harder for the judge to make sure the competitor has followed this.

 

[Laura O]

Well,
I'm not going to judge whether it's DNF or not, you were there and you know what actually happen.

Yes, and that's the point.
There's also article 11f:

The main judge and WCA delegate must not support their decisions with video or photograph analysis.

As Daniel said before this happens quite often after clock-solves and I never noticed someone got a DNF because of that.
I also have to restrain myself from touching the solved Clock every single time.

 

[MTGjumper]

I think common sense needs to prevail here. Clearly no moves were made between finishing the solve and the judge properly inspecting in both the WR solve and the previous video.

 

[TMOY]

I agree. I've seen numerous times my judge simply taking a look on the top side of the clock and starting to write fown the time without checking the bottom side. in such a case, I explain to him what he's doing wrong, which usually implies grabbing the clock myself. Should I get a DNF for that ? That would just be absurd.

 

[Tim Major]

I agree. I've seen numerous times my judge simply taking a look on the top side of the clock and starting to write fown the time without checking the bottom side. in such a case, I explain to him what he's doing wrong, which usually implies grabbing the clock myself. Should I get a DNF for that ? That would just be absurd.

At my first comp with clock, if I was a cheater, I could've successed all my solves. Instead, I had a clock defect where the pin acts as pressed on both sides (the pins were too loose) so both sides turn at once. 2 solves, the clock was about to be scramble when I said to check the other side just in case. I'm not saying rules are bad, but some rules, are in place as cautions.

 

[Johan444]

It's annoying to see different people apply the same rule differently.

There are two options:

1. Apply the rule litterally.
2. Treat competitors differently/unfair which immediately follows by not applying the rule litterally.

*Blood boils*

 

[TMOY]

No, the options are:

1. Apply the rules literally.
2. Understand them.

 

[r_517]

Sorry for just reading this thread now.

Yep I indeed flip the clock (not holding any wheel or pin though. loads of people on scene saw that) because two solves in the first round and the first solve in final was not checked by the judge. They simply checked the front side, wrote down the result and took the clock away quickly... I was only able to tell one judge to check the other side before writing down the result.
So after the WR I thought Andrew didn't check the back and everyone was clapping hands.. so I just put the back side on the table so everyone could see it solved...

I agree. I've seen numerous times my judge simply taking a look on the top side of the clock and starting to write fown the time without checking the bottom side. in such a case, I explain to him what he's doing wrong, which usually implies grabbing the clock myself. Should I get a DNF for that ? That would just be absurd.

This was what happened to me in every comp which has the Clock event. I prefer to show them it IS solved instead of just letting them taking it away without even knowing if it's solved

 

[ardi4nto]

I think the regulation should be changed to this:

A6e) The competitor must not change the state of the puzzle until the judge has inspected the puzzle. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.

instead of:

A6e) The competitor must not touch or move the puzzle until the judge has inspected the puzzle. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.

This will make things easier and the competitor does not need to worry about touching the cube after an attempt to check it is solved or not and avoid problem like this.

 

[mrCage]

After all, like magic/master magic, it's a dexterity puzzle. Record(S) likely to be beaten sooner or later.

Per

 

[Escher]

After all, like magic/master magic, it's a dexterity puzzle. Record(S) likely to be beaten sooner or later.

Per

You say that like you're insulting Sam. Welcome to the point of speedcubing.

 

[r_517]

You say that like you're insulting Sam. Welcome to the point of speedcubing.

haha thx i don't mind have prepared myself another comp in 3 weeks records are to be beaten sooner or later

 

[Evan Liu]

haha thx i don't mind have prepared myself another comp in 3 weeks records are to be beaten sooner or later

What does the name mean? (Shanghai Meatball Fall 2011)
Congrats btw

 

[r_517]

What does the name mean? (Shanghai Meatball Fall 2011)
Congrats btw

my nickname in Chinese lol...

 

[mrCage]

You say that like you're insulting Sam. Welcome to the point of speedcubing.

Records get beaten all the time. Especially for dexterity puzzles involving next to no thinking ...

Per

No insult intended

 

[Escher]

Records get beaten all the time. Especially for dexterity puzzles involving next to no thinking ...

Per

No insult intended

I was just trying to point out how for the best of the best in most events, they specifically make it so that thinking time is next to 0... 2x2 and 3x3 are almost as 'bad' as clock for that nowadays.

 

[Tao Yu]

Records get beaten all the time. Especially for dexterity puzzles involving next to no thinking ...

Ummm... The current longest standing world record is Master magic 1.95 average by Máté Horváth. It stood for 2.8 years

"Oldest standing world records"

I think clock takes much more thinking than magic and master magic.

 

[Forte]

Although my personal opinion is that none of these people mentioned in this thread cheated, I think we SHOULD remember to not touch the puzzle after the solve is done. After all, the regulation is there for a reason.

Also go Sam

 

[kinch2002]

We just need to remember that clock is a special case, where firstly judges often don't know they have to check the backside, and will forget anyway sometimes. And also when clock-ers practise, they always immediately check the other side themselves so it's a really difficult habit to get out of in competition.

 

[r_517]

Well I actually wouldn't touch anything if the judge checks it, but it's really quite common that some judge doesn't know they should (or simply forgets to) check the backside, and they quickly write down your result, take your clock away... In this case I myself would rather know if it is really solved, than just let it go (happened once in Bristol Open if anyone remembered that.. The judge began to write my result, I picked up the clock, checked the backside and told him it should be a DNF)

Besides, some judge who doesn't know Clock well will accidentally touches the wheel when flipping the clock...

Anyway it's my fault though..