Remove 3x3x3 with Feet as an Official Event?

Do you think 3x3x3 WF should be removed from the list of official events?

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Kirjava said:
Reasons why it affected me were already stated in the thread. You just making me repeat myself. Like the comment you replied to, I wish you would read the thread before posting.
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I read the thread before posting. I've been following it from the beginning, and honestly I don't remeber reading you saying this before. Could be my fault, though.

OMG YOUR SAMPLE SIZE IS HUGE
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Erm...sorry? I didn't mean that it was a valid opinion yet, just responding to the guy who thanked me for making the poll.

I just don't understand why some people have to be SO smart all the time...
 
Kirjava said:
How does feetsolving affect me. Hm.

I do not believe the media attention lauded as a good thing that feet brings is positive. It sets the focus on how 'weird' we are and leaves cubing as some fringe group of dorks.

Delegates have the power to force me to judge feet and I can be removed from the competition for not doing so. (1e2)

It irks me that something that started as a joke has gotten so out of hand. I wouldn't mind so much if the event actually had any kind of merit.
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Let me add: It diverts competition resources (time, space, staff) away from other events at competitions. This is why the "it doesn't affect you" argument is invalid. Without feet, those resources could be spent on anything from doing other events (that more people like), to adding rounds for other events, expanding rounds, or raising cutoffs. Having feet at a competition does affect me, because it changes the chances that I have of doing official solves in the events that I like.

This is also the reason we're allowed to say that we simply don't like feet. We should have a say in what events are made or kept official because competition resources should be spent in a way that benefits the most.

This isn't to say we should necessarily employ "majority rule". Also, I'm aware that speedsolving only represents a minority of the community.
 
The poll worries me - I wonder how 5x5x5 BLD would do in a poll. Or even 4x4x4 BLD.

I think that may be part of why I have an affinity for feet as an event - my favorite events have been attacked too, and I sympathize with how people who like feet as an event feel. There is certainly a significant percentage of cubers who would like big BLD events removed as official events, although it does seem that lately that percentage has been decreasing.
 
Mike Hughey said:
The poll worries me - I wonder how 5x5x5 BLD would do in a poll. Or even 4x4x4 BLD.

I think that may be part of why I have an affinity for feet as an event - my favorite events have been attacked too, and I sympathize with how people who like feet as an event feel. There is certainly a significant percentage of cubers who would like big BLD events removed as official events, although it does seem that lately that percentage has been decreasing.
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But 4 and 5 BLD are actually impressive! You can't learn to do them the weekend before a competition. I have no aspirations of competing in either event anytime soon, and yet I love the fact that they are official events simply because it encourages people to push the limits of human capabilities. Feet solving is not a limit I'm interested in.

And wouldn't it be nice if reporters actually wrote stories about 5BLD or MBLD? That story is one that the community could actually be proud of.
 
Mike Hughey said:
The poll worries me - I wonder how 5x5x5 BLD would do in a poll. Or even 4x4x4 BLD.

I think that may be part of why I have an affinity for feet as an event - my favorite events have been attacked too, and I sympathize with how people who like feet as an event feel. There is certainly a significant percentage of cubers who would like big BLD events removed as official events, although it does seem that lately that percentage has been decreasing.
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I dont' think that 4BLD or 5BLD affect somebody. Mostly mbld, 4bld and 5bld are in another room so everybody can participate in them whenever they want to. And also these events are cool an impressive. 3x3 WF is disgusting.
 
Sajwo said:
I dont' think that 4BLD or 5BLD affect somebody. Mostly mbld, 4bld and 5bld are in another room so everybody can participate in them whenever they want to. And also these events are cool an impressive. 3x3 WF is disgusting.
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I'm sure the logistics requiring an extra room with timers reserved just for 3/4/5BLD/MultiBLD are not important for organizers to consider, when comparing to what's necessary for feet.

Also, it's important to note that
Kirjava said:
Delegates have the power to force me to judge (edit: 4BLD/5BLD/Multi) and I can be removed from the competition for not doing so. (1e2)
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but having to hold a piece of cardboard in front of someone's face for several minutes (specially if you think 4/5BLD) in such a way it blocks their vision over the cube is alright even if you don't like the event, comparing to having to judge feet. You have to kneel or at least bend over and pick/place a cube someone touched with their feet. It must also be great when (in 5BLD) after you have to hold the cardboard for minutes on end, 64.48% (recent stats) of the times, the outcome is a DNF and you basically just wasted your time.

Please don't get me wrong. I like BLD events and I don't think they are bad to judge or execute or that they should go at all.

I used sarcasm here to make a point that all events have good and bad things if one looks closely enough, but the arguments used to keep or remove and event must be such that they are valid for all events, so the decision of removal is not a biased one. Magics and multiblind old style were removed because there were logical and objective reasons to remove it that did not exist in any other event. I'm sure their removal wasn't because the puzzle was flat, or was a kids-event or a time-filler.

I haven't voted yet in the poll, I am waiting to see how the discussion unfolds but so far I haven't found any definitive objective arguments for feet removal, specially from people that organize competitions or delegates, other than natural cultural differences between people with different views, from different parts of the world, with a different set of values.
 
Voting to remove an event that you don't compete in (as I'm assuming most people who voted "No" don't compete in Feet) is a ridiculous way to decide whether or not to keep that event, simply because like I said before, it does not Affect you, or if it does then it doesn't nearly in the same way as someone who does compete in it. Like asking me if I think someone should compete in BLD at a given competition. Of course I'm gonna say no because I don't really compete in it and it takes time away from events I really care about (like OH or 2H). This is why I believe a decision like removing Feet should be made with impartiality and little regard to a popular opinion poll because duh, Feet is unpopular, and using a poll to prove your point is just using evidence that will only confirm your bias. Like, "God exists, you know why? Let's take a poll on it". To me this is a matter of justice (meaning there is an absolute truth), and not popularity, as many of us are privileged with the ability to solve with our hands and forget that we would essentially be excluding (or at least discouraging) competitors with no hands from having a fair chance at being competitive with the Rubik's Cube. And it's easy for us to laugh at something like that but if it even increases our reach to one serious (no hands) competitor then I think we are better off for keeping Feet than we would be trying to cater to the acceptance of people who don't even really accept us or take the sport seriously in the first place (the general population).
 
PhillipEspinoza said:
Voting to remove an event that you don't compete in (as I'm assuming most people who voted "No" don't compete in Feet) is a ridiculous way to decide whether or not to keep that event, simply because like I said before, it does not Affect you,
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You already said this once, and we already disagreed with you and gave reasons. Stop reiterating and post something constructive.
 
PhillipEspinoza said:
Voting to remove an event that you don't compete in (as I'm assuming most people who voted "No" don't compete in Feet) is a ridiculous way to decide whether or not to keep that event, simply because like I said before, it does not Affect you, or if it does then it doesn't nearly in the same way as someone who does compete in it. Like asking me if I think someone should compete in BLD at a given competition. Of course I'm gonna say no because I don't really compete in it and it takes time away from events I really care about (like OH or 2H). This is why I believe a decision like removing Feet should be made with impartiality and little regard to a popular opinion poll because duh, Feet is unpopular, and using a poll to prove your point is just using evidence that will only confirm your bias. Like, "God exists, you know why? Let's take a poll on it". To me this is a matter of justice (meaning there is an absolute truth), and not popularity, as many of us are privileged with the ability to solve with our hands and forget that we would essentially be excluding (or at least discouraging) competitors with no hands from having a fair chance at being competitive with the Rubik's Cube. And it's easy for us to laugh at something like that but if it even increases our reach to one serious (no hands) competitor then I think we are better off for keeping Feet than we would be trying to cater to the acceptance of people who don't even really accept us or take the sport seriously in the first place (the general population).
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You aren't even reading the replies, are you?
 
[RELEVANT TANGENT] I say we take a vote on whether or not there should be a Women's Rubik's Cube World Record and poll the general cubing population (which happens to be male dominated) and make a decision based on that. I wonder which direction the vote would go?
 
PhillipEspinoza said:
[RELEVANT TANGENT] I say we take a vote on whether or not there should be a Women's Rubik's Cube World Record and poll the general cubing population (which happens to be male dominated) and make a decision based on that. I wonder which direction the vote would go?
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Dude don't get so hung up on the poll. It's just a poll - it doesn't mean anything.
 
AustinReed said:
Well, according to the people here, it does.
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This place is such a small sample of the cubing community, so there is no way that poll can affect any decision that much. Also, countries where feet solving is more popular tend to be non-English speaking, and are bound to be underrepresented.

And besides, did the WCA even ask for this thread? I was under no impression that there were any discussions to actually remove the event (someone more knowledgable correct me if I'm wrong).

As much as I dislike feet, I doubt it has any real chance of being removed.
 
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