Goosly
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Yes, and that is a bad thing.
In your opinion.
Yes, and that is a bad thing.
The timers displays were intentionally unplugged for the first solve, and we were keeping competitors as quiet as possible after they each attempted that scramble.
Nice solve Rami! And props for owning up. That takes guts.
It's too bad the delegate failed at preventing and enforcing 2g3...otherwise you would have the WR.
Unfortunately, the failures of active WCA delegates are becoming so prominent and frequent that whistleblowers like me are becoming less and less necessary.
Nice solve Rami! And props for owning up. That takes guts.
It's too bad the delegate failed at preventing and enforcing 2g3...otherwise you would have the WR.
Unfortunately, the failures of active WCA delegates are becoming so prominent and frequent that whistleblowers like me are becoming less and less necessary.
Except it's already been mentioned that steps were taken to prevent communication:mDiPalma said:It's too bad the delegate failed at preventing and enforcing 2g3...otherwise you would have the WR.
The very first 2x2 competitor who solved the scramble was someone helping out at the competition (I can't remember who it was...), so he notified all the judges/runners/scramblers about the first scramble being short and easy in order that we prevent just that. The timers displays were intentionally unplugged for the first solve, and we were keeping competitors as quiet as possible after they each attempted that scramble.
Bahahaha.mDiPalma said:whistleblowers like me
Are you being serious right now? What do you want the delegate to do? Strap muzzles on all the competitors?
You can't control everyone...the delegate did absolutely nothing wrong. And he did enforce 2g3, he disqualified the competitor from 2x2.
we did everything possible to prevent the scramble being leaked.
Kit was the first person to do the scramble, and immediately told me. I scrambled the rest of the average and we both spent he remainder of the round policing the crowd as hard as we could.
lol we are humans and we make mistakes. wca is founded around the mutual trust of the competitors . clearly , if you'd read, they did as much as possible to ensure the scramble was kept secret short of a safe with the competitors in it. its silly that were having this argument because its ridiculous that you cant see that the delegates did everything they possibly could to keep it secret. its unfortunate that this happened to Rami, but arguing about how it could be prevented isnt really helping anything.
mDiPalma said:Final words: They did not take the proper course of action, as is evident by the existence of this thread. I'm not going to propagate this senseless debate like the others.
You don't have to control anyone. You have to control the environment. If you pledge to keep a fair and fun competitive environment for everyone (as is the WCA's mission), then it should be your duty to facilitate some basic measure of environmental control at the venue.
One very simple way to solve this problem is require that all competitors in a group must move to an isolated side of the venue and remain relatively quiet, monitored by some volunteer or official.
The fact that delegates call up four thousand people per group and let them drop their cubes off at any point in a 30 minute period is what fosters this pre-attempt scramble discussion. It's not hard to fix. Just have smaller groups, and keep all competitors together.
Kept everyone in the venue quiet, like in a BLD event, only more intense.
"I'm not going to continue arguing my point because people are providing valid counter-arguments".I'm not going to propagate this senseless debate like the others.
The actions we took were to keep the scramble a SECRET, anything more than we did would have made it evident that something was up.
Seeing as you weren't there, I recommend you stop acting like you know what happened and what should've been done instead.
Oh, really? 4,000 people? Would you like to show me a competition where 4,000 people get called up? I just can't seem to find one.
Groups are very often small. 6-10 people at a time. that is not very big and it's done to keep the competition running smoothly. And what's to stop a competitor who is already done from texting the other person the solution?
WHO CARES IF PEOPLE KNOW SOMETHING IS UP. SOMETHING WAS UP. The objective of competitions is to TIME competitors SOLVING the cube ON THEIR OWN.
If every competitor goes into the scramble thinking: "Wow..everyone was made silent for some reason"....That is better than 95% of the competitors going up thinking "I have never seen this scramble before" while 5% are thinking "all I have to do is R U' R2 U". The first option is FAIR (WCA Mission), the second option is the easy way out, for officials.
Seeing as I wasn't there, I have no bias related to the situation. I don't feel the need to defend my actions, because I made no actions. It's often the best perspective to look from the outside in.
Obviously I exaggerated to make a point. In the Northeast, it's not uncommon for DOZENS of people to be called up for the same scramble. And I know people that hear their name called to bring up their cube, and sit back and drill algs for 15-20 minutes, until the delegate calls their name for the final time.
Keeping a competition running smoothly should NOT be the primary objective of the Delegate or Organizer. It should be to uphold the WCA's Mission and follow the rules COMPLETELY. If it means taking 5 extra minutes per Round, so be it.
That's officially my last contribution.
Seeing as I wasn't there
"all I have to do is R U' R2 U".
WCA Regulations said:1c) The WCA Delegate may delegate responsibilities to other members of the organisation team, but is ultimately accountable for how these responsibilities are carried out. The WCA Delegate for a competition is responsible for:
1c1) Reporting to the WCA Board regarding adherence to WCA Regulations during the competition, the overall course of the competition, and any incidents. The report must be submitted to the WCA Board within one week of the end of the competition.
1c3) Sending the competition results to the WCA Results Team.
1c3a) All scramble sequences used during a competition must be sent with the results of the competition.
1c3b) Scramble sequences must be labelled with the events, rounds, and groups for which they were used.
1c4) Sending corrections to the competition results to the WCA Board.
1c5) Advising the other officials where necessary.
1c6) Approving all events and round formats of a competition, before the competition starts, and if changes are required during the competition.
1c7) Decisions about disqualifying competitors during the competition.
1c8) Providing the scramble sequences.
1c9) Decisions about changes to the scheduled times of rounds. In cases of such changes, a clear announcement must be made to all competitors.
1c10) Making a copy of the WCA Regulations available at the competition.
WHO CARES IF PEOPLE KNOW SOMETHING IS UP. SOMETHING WAS UP. The objective of competitions is to TIME competitors SOLVING the cube ON THEIR OWN.
If every competitor goes into the scramble thinking: "Wow..everyone was made silent for some reason"....That is better than 95% of the competitors going up thinking "I have never seen this scramble before" while 5% are thinking "all I have to do is R U' R2 U". The first option is FAIR (WCA Mission), the second option is the easy way out, for officials.
Seeing as I wasn't there, I have no bias related to the situation. I don't feel the need to defend my actions, because I made no actions. It's often the best perspective to look from the outside in.
Obviously I exaggerated to make a point. In the Northeast, it's not uncommon for DOZENS of people to be called up for the same scramble. And I know people that hear their name called to bring up their cube, and sit back and drill algs for 15-20 minutes, until the delegate calls their name for the final time.
Keeping a competition running smoothly should NOT be the primary objective of the Delegate or Organizer. It should be to uphold the WCA's Mission and follow the rules COMPLETELY. If it means taking 5 extra minutes per Round, so be it.
That's officially my last contribution.