OLL's

[Zaxef]

Alright so I just finished learning full PLL, yay
And I know 2 look OLL, as well as maybe 2 or 3 other random little ones I decided to learn for some reason.

My question is.. Since there are so many OLLs.. which should I learn first? The ones that occur the most often I suppose?
However.. When speaking of speed and times.. I'd think to learn the OLLs with no edges oriented? Since that will eliminate any "3 Look" OLL I have to do (FUR U'R'F' then FRU R'U'F' then another OLL)

Thoughts?

 

[byu]

How fast are you? I would wait until at least sub-25 before attempting the OLLs.

 

[Zaxef]

How fast are you? I would wait until at least sub-25 before attempting the OLLs.

See my sig vvv

 

[Sa967St]

I would wait until at least sub-25 before attempting the OLLs.

why does everyone keep saying that? I learned all the OLLs when I was barely sub-30.

 

[byu]

I would wait until at least sub-25 before attempting the OLLs.

why does everyone keep saying that? I learned all the OLLs when I was barely sub-30.

I just think it might not be as beneficial, but that's just my opinion. I'm sure many people will disagree with me.

 

[Ellis]

If you want to start learning them, go for it. They don't cut that much time off, but if you feel like you can learn and retain algs easily then I see no real reason not to start. Learn the cases with no edges first. Then move on to some that are easier to recognize and execute, like the T's P's Y's.

 

[Zaxef]

If you want to start learning them, go for it. They don't cut that much time off, but if you feel like you can learn and retain algs easily then I see no real reason not to start. Learn the cases with no edges first. Then move on to some that are easier to recognize and execute, like the T's P's Y's.

I already know one of the Ts and one P.. cause they're simply FUR U'R'F' and FRU R'U'F'


So people do agree it's a good idea to do the no edge cases first.. good
Guess I'll get started.. weee

 

[byu]

If you want to start, here's a really easy one to start with.

The other T is this:

(R U R' U')(R' F R F')

Pretty easy, and very finger trick friendly too.

 

[Zaxef]

If you want to start, here's a really easy one to start with.

The other T is this:

(R U R' U')(R' F R F')

Pretty easy, and very finger trick friendly too.

Well sweet, I have T's done

 

[byu]

cubestation.co.uk has very fast OLLs, I like those. If you want to learn OLLs, go there (that's where I'm learning OLLs right now).

 

[Zaxef]

cubestation.co.uk has very fast OLLs, I like those. If you want to learn OLLs, go there (that's where I'm learning OLLs right now).

Yup I've had Dan's PLL/OLL sheets printed off for a long time now, with a few of them changed to algs I prefer but yea, they're extremely useful sheets

 

[Escher]

Im feeling charitable this evening.

Going on the wiki descriptions, I would learn as a general order...

(- all edges oriented)
- no edges oriented
- all corners oriented
- W shapes (very easy)
- T shapes
- P shapes
- C shapes
- big lightning bolt shapes
- small lightning bolt shapes
- square shapes (this and the category before are either variations on sunes or two T olls)
- r shapes
- I shapes
- fish shapes
- awkward shapes

The OLLs are much easier to learn than they seem, honestly. Just go through, and look for familiar triggers. Play around with the cube, taking pairs out and putting them back in different ways etc, you can create your own, good algorithms this way sometimes (I have done for several).
Try and learn consistently, it doesn't matter how fast or slow, just keep at it (ALWAYS do an OLL if you see it and you've learnt it recently - it doesn't matter how slow it makes the solve).

EDIT Oh yeah, learn them mainly from the wiki - you can easily compare algorithms and see which one you like best (plus you can learn them from different angles ), though cubestation, badmephisto, cutex.info, and jason baum all have some decent OLLs.

 

[Zaxef]

Im feeling charitable this evening.

Going on the wiki descriptions, I would learn as a general order...

(- all edges oriented)
- no edges oriented
- all corners oriented
- W shapes (very easy)
- T shapes
- P shapes
- C shapes
- big lightning bolt shapes
- small lightning bolt shapes
- square shapes (this and the category before are either variations on sunes or two T olls)
- r shapes
- I shapes
- fish shapes
- awkward shapes

The OLLs are much easier to learn than they seem, honestly. Just go through, and look for familiar triggers. Play around with the cube, taking pairs out and putting them back in different ways etc, you can create your own, good algorithms this way sometimes (I have done for several).
Try and learn consistently, it doesn't matter how fast or slow, just keep at it (ALWAYS do an OLL if you see it and you've learnt it recently - it doesn't matter how slow it makes the solve).

EDIT Oh yeah, learn them mainly from the wiki - you can easily compare algorithms and see which one you like best (plus you can learn them from different angles ), though cubestation, badmephisto, cutex.info, and jason baum all have some decent OLLs.

Are those in order of difficulty, or how often they occur in a solve?

 

[byu]

By the look of it, it's the order that makes them easiest to learn.

 

[Escher]

Are those in order of difficulty, or how often they occur in a solve?

I've no idea about occurence. Most are the same chance, some (like the one with no edges, but all corners oriented) are like one in 217 or something, I can't remember.
I think Badmephisto's site gives probability next to the alg.

Anyway, I listed them in general 'easiness to recognise and learn' order (at least, I think so). Thats just what I found anyway, you have a look yourself. I think learning in 'classes' mostly is a good idea though. Whatever you want

EDIT, wait wrong, not badmephisto.
http://www.cubefreak.net/Fridrich/OLL.html
does though. Thing is, only 6 deviate from 1/54, so no point in learning them that way anyway.

 

[Zaxef]

Are those in order of difficulty, or how often they occur in a solve?

I've no idea about occurence. Most are the same chance, some (like the one with no edges, but all corners oriented) are like one in 217 or something, I can't remember.
I think Badmephisto's site gives probability next to the alg.

Anyway, I listed them in general 'easiness to recognise and learn' order (at least, I think so). Thats just what I found anyway, you have a look yourself. I think learning in 'classes' mostly is a good idea though. Whatever you want

EDIT, wait wrong, not badmephisto.
http://www.cubefreak.net/Fridrich/OLL.html
does though. Thing is, only 6 deviate from 1/54, so no point in learning them that way anyway.

Alright so probability doesn't really matter, thanks