It's quite possible to get sub-30 with LBL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLki-254ZKA
Sub-20 with 4LLL.
OLL and PLL have slowed down my times :o
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It's quite possible to get sub-30 with LBL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLki-254ZKA
Sub-20 with 4LLL.
mynameiswillem
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well my advice for easy time reductions is intuitive F2L.
if youre still using the corners first then edges F2L, thats where all your time goes into.
partylikeaturtle
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I've noticed that. Sometimes, on my good solves, I would finish the 2 layers from 10-15 seconds, and it would take long because I used beginner's... But ever since I started learning 4LLL, I have only been solving the last layer, so I could practice my algorithms... So I took a step back with those 2 layers... But I feel that once I start F2L method, I should be able to balance the two and this get better times and averages...
But lord, you should've seen my fingers... haha
incessantcheese
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O_O
layer by layer for a 10s first two layers? your cube and hands must be godly lol.
partylikeaturtle
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That's why my time has slowed down. I could recognize everything in the blink of an eye, if you will. But with these new algorithms and such, until they're my 2nd nature, it'll be awhile until they're as familiar to me as the original set of algorithms...
Maybe I should have just never learned the beginner's method, I wonder how that would work... Yeah, it woujld take you longer how to solve the cube, but once you did, you'd be at a great starting point...
I wanna see that on video...
partylikeaturtle
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I have a video, but it was from awhile ago, and the cube was kind of out of picture... I don't take video anymore because the video camera's charger is gone and I can't edit with my regular camera's .mov videos...
But I truthfully did that, I have no need to lie.
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Man Erik posted that sub20 avg12, and his F2L times were higher than that. If you didn't know, he's the world record holder of a single solve. I don't think Feliks has posted a video similar to Erik's doing the beginner's method (the world record holder for average of 5), but would say he would would be cutting it close to get a 10 second F2L using LBL.
Remember, even though it's 4LLL, 2LOLL is easily done in under 5 seconds, and the A and E perms are insanely quick, and the edge perms are even faster. Even with 4LLL you're looking at under a 10 second last layer.
Watch the video, his F2L times are 11, 13, 12, 13, 12, 12, etc. See the trend? He's also opposite color neutral, which makes it easier for him to make a cross. I find it incredibly hard to believe you are doing a 10 second F2L LBL.
Remember, even though it's 4LLL, 2LOLL is easily done in under 5 seconds, and the A and E perms are insanely quick, and the edge perms are even faster. Even with 4LLL you're looking at under a 10 second last layer.
Watch the video, his F2L times are 11, 13, 12, 13, 12, 12, etc. See the trend? He's also opposite color neutral, which makes it easier for him to make a cross. I find it incredibly hard to believe you are doing a 10 second F2L LBL.
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Joker
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He used 4LLL, not complete beginner's...
And he's Erik anyhow.
And saying that you have no need to lie over and over doesn't accomplish anything.
Record a vid somehow, and upload it.
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That's some high TPS ya got there. I'd love to see it in action. Hurry up and learn the methods so you can has fastness.
Bold parts.
Yes, he's Erik, but other people have done it too.
nck
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Keep practicing your last layer.
Your f2l is already faster than the WR holder.
Gratz
incessantcheese
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guys, i've figured it out. he has a really good cube, and he turns really fast with it. i've seen these before, like, 1/1000 storebought cubes are actually completely godly. they can cut corners really well and almost never lock up, and turn faster than an f-2. you just have to get really lucky! i recommend he doesn't waste money buying a diy at this point.
also, for the 10s first two layers thing, some people just have really, really fast reflexes. for some of these people, it's actually faster to look for one piece at a time because their reaction time is so crazy insane. this is also very rare, which is why you see so few people compete with layer by layer instead of slotting pairs. i think if OP were to learn 2 look last layer he could start setting some really amazing times. can't wait to see him in competition.
also, for the 10s first two layers thing, some people just have really, really fast reflexes. for some of these people, it's actually faster to look for one piece at a time because their reaction time is so crazy insane. this is also very rare, which is why you see so few people compete with layer by layer instead of slotting pairs. i think if OP were to learn 2 look last layer he could start setting some really amazing times. can't wait to see him in competition.
You guys are awful... the way to get fast with 4LLL is the same as becoming fast at beginner. Its all about piece recognition balance with turning speed. Since you are not used to piece recognition because it is very complex, compare with beginner, and you have 20 algorithm to use to solve instead of 4, you're going to be slow. I reccomend using badmephisto pll trainer for helping you with speed, forget recognition and go for speed with alg. Become comfortable and ensure you PLL are less than 5 second or so, then you will see improvement.
partylikeaturtle
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Someone realizes! By cutting corners great, my cube can cut corners at exactly 1 block (when the wedge's left side is lines up with the center's right side). It's crazy.
And I used to solve at about 4 to 5 turns per second if I calculate it. Seeing how overall, it takes from 130-150 moves to solve the cube for me using the beginner's method.
nck
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let's see
Assuming you can build the cross in 7moves, inserting each corner takes 4-5moves, inserting each edge takes ~8 moves. That's roughly 12moves for each f2l pair.
Assuming there is no 'f2l edge skips' it takes at most 60 moves to finish f2l.
:fpLooks like you really have to improve your LL since it's like wat, 80+moves?
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partylikeaturtle
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Well, for the F2L, I didn't do the whole cross thing (which I should've done). Instead, I would sometimes put corners in before the cross, I basically just solved the side altogether, which is probably why it was so many moves.
uberCuber
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that makes me believe you even less. I need to see a video before I believe that you can do a 10s F2L using beginner method without even solving the cross completely first...
partylikeaturtle
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I didn't say it was 10 seconds every time, it was mostly 15 seconds. Look, I've got no need to lie about something so frivolous. All I know is that I can turn a Rubik's cube fast...
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You know. Id really like a video. This is pretty hard to believe. Videonaoplz.
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