OH pll execution

[incessantcheese]

how long do your OH pll executions take?
mine take horrifically long, and i'm not sure if this is normal for someone at my speed or if i really need to work on them.

some of my pll times are okay, i can do an U perm in 2 seconds easily, and my A perms take maybe 3-4 seconds, which isn't horrendous. however, a lot of my other pll executions take up to 7 or 8 seconds on average. i have seen people complaining about 4s executions and i'd be perfectly happy with 4s. my average of 100 with OH is just under 32 seconds right now, with my more recent times probably averaging around 30-31.

so yeah, how long do your OH pll executions take on average (and how long does it take you to do the whole thing)? did you have to learn a lot of OH-specific algorithms for PLL (and *shudder* OLL).

edit: whoops, i think i meant to post this in the help section... but it fits here okay, anyway!

 

[duongkimngoc]

I do U perm in 2s, A perm in 3-4s, Z & Y in 5s.
Lots of PLL also take 7-8s same you.
My avg ~ 33s.

 

[Elliot]

I just timed some of my PLLs. Here's what I got...

U perms - sub 2
A perms - about 3
G perms - each sub 4
Z perm - about 3
H perm - sub 4
T perm - low 3
Y perm - low 3

 

[incessantcheese]

how many of those do you use OH-specific algorithms for?

 

[duongkimngoc]

I just timed some of my PLLs. Here's what I got...

U perms - sub 2
A perms - about 3
G perms - each sub 4
Z perm - about 3
H perm - sub 4
T perm - low 3
Y perm - low 3

Which cube you are using for OH?

 

[TeddyKGB]

Mine take about 6-9 although i'm a quite a bit slower than you, 48s avg

Edit: 100th post

 

[Elliot]

I just timed some of my PLLs. Here's what I got...

U perms - sub 2
A perms - about 3
G perms - each sub 4
Z perm - about 3
H perm - sub 4
T perm - low 3
Y perm - low 3

Which cube you are using for OH?

FII w/ shock oil

 

[CubesOfTheWorld]

You don't even want to know what my OH PLL times are.

 

[dillonbladez]

You don't even want to know what my OH PLL times are.

Bet you mine are worse. Far worse.

 

[whauk]

well my Uperm is like 1.1-1.2 and i can sometimes sub1 it
Aperm is sub2 and my slowest is T with 2.8 or sth
i'd say i learnt half of the PLLs new for OH and my avg of 1000 is 18.3
if you do lots of OH you will suddenly see that one certain algo always is slow and you just search for a new one.

i tw didnt learn any OH OLLs. there are some with R'FRF' which i dont like but i don feel like learning new OLLs. my fastest OLL is antisune with around 0.6 and i dont have any clue what my slowest one is.

hope that helped. feel free to ask me for more info

 

[incessantcheese]

yeah always helpful to hear from someone really fast. your, uh, OH U-perm is faster than my two hand so *facepalm* forget that for now. but okay, learning some new PLL's sounds reasonable when i'm bored, i guess. thanks!

 

[Tim Major]

I average 31~ and my PLLs are slower than yours
I can just sub 3 U-perms, sub 4 A-perms, and I find one R-perm is good. Most of my algs are 7+ I usually have about 17 f2l and sub 6 OLL (often sub 4)

 

[Weston]

For some OH PLLs, you don't actually have to learn new algs, but you just have to perform them differently. This is also the case for many of the OLLs.
For example, on this G perm, instead of
R2 u' R U' R U R' u R2 y R U' R'
Its much faster for me to do
R2 u' R U' R U R' D x' U2 r U' r'

I can sub 2 that G perm

 

[incessantcheese]

yeah, i do perform a few of my pll algs differently now, especially with two of the G perms, i don't do the u and do a D type move with a cube turn instead. it still takes me a long time, though...
with A perms where you are switching between R and L (or B and F or whatever), do you do cube rotations for that, or is there some tricky way you push R without moving your hand much.

the other thing i wanted to ask about is moving F with your thumb. does it really get that fast? i seem to lock up a lot more than if i just rotate and do a U' or U and rotate back, or rotate and do a R or R' depending on what the next move is. after a bunch of practice, does thumbing F really become worth it? for example, in the, uh, two hand T or V perm.

 

[incessantcheese]

also, did you just imply that you didn't learn any new algs for OH O_O

 

[Weston]

yeah, i do perform a few of my pll algs differently now, especially with two of the G perms, i don't do the u and do a D type move with a cube turn instead. it still takes me a long time, though...
with A perms where you are switching between R and L (or B and F or whatever), do you do cube rotations for that, or is there some tricky way you push R without moving your hand much.

the other thing i wanted to ask about is moving F with your thumb. does it really get that fast? i seem to lock up a lot more than if i just rotate and do a U' or U and rotate back, or rotate and do a R or R' depending on what the next move is. after a bunch of practice, does thumbing F really become worth it? for example, in the, uh, two hand T or V perm.

Its useful sometimes. Not really during F2L, but I do use it in a few algs, like the T perm.
It is by no means necessary to get fast times though.

 

[SittinonSukhaya]

I just wonder how fast I can do it so I start doing it today these are the results

U perms - avg of 5 : .8x sec best .70 sec
Z perm - avg of 5 : 1.3x sec best 1.21 sec
H perm - avg of 5 : 1.9x sec best 1.70 sec

will post video within this week

 

[incessantcheese]

OH U perm in .7 seconds

...

*quits cubing -_-*


in all seriousness, though, what about some of the slower algorithms?

and veering slightly off-topic now, how am i even going to achieve these times with two hands. i'm pretty sure i've hit a wall with some of these algs - i can't do a u-perm in under 1.5 and i don't see that getting any lower. is it just a matter of doing my R turns faster with my wrist? O_o

edit: 1.5 includes lifting up my hands and slapping them down, which, if i did it the way i've seen some people time pll in videos, might actually be 1.4 or 1.3. the same thing does not apply to my OH times, since i can operate the timer with my other hand.

 

[rubiknewbie]

yeah, i do perform a few of my pll algs differently now, especially with two of the G perms, i don't do the u and do a D type move with a cube turn instead. it still takes me a long time, though...
with A perms where you are switching between R and L (or B and F or whatever), do you do cube rotations for that, or is there some tricky way you push R without moving your hand much.

the other thing i wanted to ask about is moving F with your thumb. does it really get that fast? i seem to lock up a lot more than if i just rotate and do a U' or U and rotate back, or rotate and do a R or R' depending on what the next move is. after a bunch of practice, does thumbing F really become worth it? for example, in the, uh, two hand T or V perm.

F move is tough, except for people who become very good at it. Robert Yau has algorithms that get away from F moves. It's in thread some where.