Official confirmation of the removal of Magic and Master Magic events

[ben1996123]

We could have a section for 'Defunct Events', where there are the results for old Multi-BLD, Magic and Master Magic.

iirc 3x3 with no inspection used to be official too.

 

[samchoochiu]

I think the Magic and MM times should still be listed on profiles. This was an official event for 10 years. Some people have competed in Magic for hundreds of solves. I don't think that we should just hide that. It's different than MultiBLD old style. With MultiBLD, we CHANGED the event. For this event, we're removing it. I recommend that times and rankings are still listed but they will just remain static.

I absolutely agree with this. Thanks for having the same view as me. People like Ernie have practice magic like it was an event to be around for a long time, like it has.

 

[jonlin]

Alright, its not that much on small events. I took information from a recent competition 'Raleigh Open 2012' there were 15 magic solvers and 5 master magic solvers, thats 20 people multiply by 5 for the average, and its only 100 solves, and they could do it only on sub-2 or lower, and some people aren't that fast...

Actually, Ishmam DNFed the magic solve and DNSd the last solve so it's only 99 solves

 

[anders]

We could have a section for 'Defunct Events', where there are the results for old Multi-BLD, Magic and Master Magic. This way, people who care about these events know that their times are still in the WCA database.

Perhaps it is timely to revitalise this site:

http://www.speedcubing.com/results/

where other former official events such as the Rainbow Cube and the Siamese Cube have been dumped.

iirc 3x3 with no inspection used to be official too.

No inspection has never been an official event. However, in the past I have hosted several competitions with this event as an unofficial one.

 

[vcuber13]

but, technically wasn't that how the 82 championships were?

 

[anders]

but, technically wasn't that how the 82 championships were?

If you refer to no inspection, the answer is no. The reason that we have 15 s inspection time is because they did like that back in 1982.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?18078-Rubik-s-Cube-World-Championship-1982

 

[vcuber13]

oh, I guess I was thinking of something else.

 

[qqwref]

the UWR for 8x8 is 6:50.xx

lmao
I have a 6:24 single and Balint Bodor's times are like 30s better than mine...

But yeah, it's too long to make an official event, even if the puzzle's quality is high.

 

[drewsopchak]

lmao
I have a 6:24 single and Balint Bodor's times are like 30s better than mine...

But yeah, it's too long to make an official event, even if the puzzle's quality is high.

Maybe too long to have a Mo3 format but why not just single?

 

[Bob]

Maybe too long to have a Mo3 format but why not just single?

Because it's a waste of time.

 

[asportking]

Maybe too long to have a Mo3 format but why not just single?

Because it's a waste of time.

Yeah, I agree, One solve, even if it's a somewhat long solve, isn't really worth the time it takes to set up an event for it. And like I had said earlier, not many people have an 8x8. So it would be like two or three people in a competition doing one solve, which is a waste of time.

 

[MirzaCubing]

Yeah, I agree, One solve, even if it's a somewhat long solve, isn't really worth the time it takes to set up an event for it. And like I had said earlier, not many people have an 8x8. So it would be like two or three people in a competition doing one solve, which is a waste of time.

+ Most of us can't even sub-10 8x8

 

[qqwref]

Honestly, it would pretty much just be a longer 7x7 event. Not something we really need.

Skewb could be interesting, though. Apparently some people are pretty good at it.

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

If any new events do get added, it's not going to be specifically because magics are being removed. It has already been said by more than one important person that any new events to be added would not be, and should be thought of as, 'replacements.' The removal of events and addition of others are mutually exclusive occurrences.

I agree with that, I was just implying that any events that are added to the WCA will sort of automatically "fill the void" that Magic and Master Magic are going to create.

 

[drewsopchak]

Yeah, I agree, One solve, even if it's a somewhat long solve, isn't really worth the time it takes to set up an event for it. And like I had said earlier, not many people have an 8x8. So it would be like two or three people in a competition doing one solve, which is a waste of time.

People would buy them if it was an event.

 

[Bob]

People would buy them if it was an event.

That doesn't mean organizers would host it. Personally, I think even 6x6 and 7x7 are too long for events and don't really add much more than the 5x5 event and I would like to see them removed. Adding 8x8 would be a step in the wrong direction.

 

[Dene]

About keeping the magics results on peoples profiles, I am against this idea. If one of the reasons we are removing magics is because of concerns regarding the accuracy of the judging (past, present and future) then why should the past (and possibly inaccurate) results be displayed?

As for 8x8 there is absolutely no need, it would add nothing but a big headache for scramblers.

 

[mitch1234]

8x8 is too large of a cube to hold. If I were to do 7x7 officially right now I would be top-100, I can barely Sub-9 on 8x8. There would only be a hundred or so people that would have an official solve. I say that Skewb would be a good replacement, takes up as much time as pyraminx does, and Andrew Kang loves them.
Now for the part about removing magics. Will magics be held at Worlds? If so will it be kinda off to the side or just not happen at all? I guess I've been around magics enough to give an opinion on them, I think that it brings a draw on people that may want to become cubers some day. But for the time its just useless data that the WCA has to put on a computer some where.
Magics are just too hard to judge. I posted a solve on here a few months ago and it sparked a flame war about whether the solve was good or not. Sure you could film every ones solves but analyzing the data would take ages. Master Magic is no different I have seen bad stops with both magic and master magic there is no way getting around this.
For where the times go, I just say hide them. Its not an event anymore, then it doesn't matter.

 

[TMOY]

No inspection has never been an official event.

It is mentioned as an official event in the 2006 rules, first version (but not in the second version, seems like it has had a very short lifespan as an official event).

 

[megaminxwin]

I'm going to be sad to see this one go, but it makes sense. While I really do like magic and master magic, it really does come down to flipping your hands in the same way over and over and over.

Practicing is really boring. You end up trying to find ways to make it more exciting. (related: i think i might have the uwr for ohitabld magic. has anyone beaten 26.43? ...probably, yeah)

Also, apparently a lot of people want new events to be held now. Really? We just got rid of magic, so now we need to fill up a void? Even if you're not thinking like that, we still have 17 other events, and that's enough as it is for the moment. They might come in later, but not at this very moment.