Next steps for cube.

[Littlegupper]

Hello,
I have a question about the next steps I want to take to be a better (speed)cuber. I don't know if I can post this, if not please tell me .
I'll start with the methode I currently use. I use an easy version of the fridrich method.
Step 1: The cross, I solve the cross on the bottom now. I try to use al my inspection time to know all the moves for the cross. I doesn't get it always but it gets better.
Step 2: Then I solve the corners.
Step 3: The 2nd layer.
Step 4: A cross on the top.
Step 5: Finish the OLL.
Step 6: Put the corners on the right place
Step 7: Finnally the edges on the right place
I think I won't be faster, my average is just under the minute so I decided to take some new steps and get to a higher level.
I am now learning a 4 look LLL, first I had in the worst case a 8 LLL.
Should I also learn a intuitive F2L, later or now?
Thanks

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Now. Start with Intuitive F2L now, as well as the PLLs. Your times are going to SUCK for a while, but once you've got intuitive F2L and the PLLs on lock, your times will get significantly faster.

 

[Littlegupper]

Now. Start with Intuitive F2L now, as well as the PLLs. Your times are going to SUCK for a while, but once you've got intuitive F2L and the PLLs on lock, your times will get significantly faster.

Oke thanks for your reaction, I'll start with that. Should I learn the OLL or should I forget that.
I heard badmephisto has some great videos on youtube for the intuitive F2L, could you recommend me them?

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Yeah, his videos have helped me IMMENSELY. Watch the ones on Intuitive F2L, but watch them a few times.

Forget about OLL now. The only OLLs you need to know are the 7 that have all the edges oriented already. Using those 7, you can do 2-look OLL. Badmephisto has a video on that as well, watch it. You can learn those few algs now as well. This point right now will be the point in which you learn a LOT. Man, i remember being there (wasn't even that long ago), i just studied algs all the time, and hardly EVER did full solves, as i couldn't after doing 2 look OLL . But trust me, once you can do intuitive F2L, 2 look OLL, and the PLLs, you start speeding up.

Then, once you're comfortable with all of that, you can start with the OLLs.

 

[hawkmp4]

Why skip from a beginners method to full PLL? It would make much more sense to go to a 4LLL. Doing full solves is important for the transition between steps and recognition.

 

[Littlegupper]

DAE JA VOO, thanks for your help. I'll watch his videos and i'll go on with that . First I gonna sleep

 

[Brett]

Don't forget about the other methods other then fridrich.

 

[nitrocan]

DO NOT start with intuitive F2L. Do that when you average at least sub50.
Learn 4LLL first, then intuitive F2L.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3688

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

DO NOT start with intuitive F2L. Do that when you average at least sub50.

Not necessary IMO. I started with intuitive F2L and 3LLL when i was at about 55 seconds, which is basically where Little gupper is now, and i turned out fine

 

[cookingfat]

Learn 4LLL first, then intuitive F2L.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3688

yes I would agree, 4LLL really helped me, learn that first. (it's basically 6 out of the 21 PLL algs anyway). Now I can concentrate on my intuitive F2L and maybe learn a few more PLLs in between.

 

[EmersonHerrmann]

Uh, I did what little gupper does until about 45 seconds, then I learned F2L and the PLLs simultaneously...then when I was at about 27 seconds I learned all of the OLLs.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Don't forget about the other methods other then fridrich.

*cough* Roux and petrus can be just as fast *cough* *cough*

 

[Littlegupper]

He guys!
Thanks for all your reactions. I have watched the video How to become a speedcuber of Badmephisto. I decided to follow his way to become a speedcuber. First the keyhole, then the 2 look OLL and the 2 look PLL. I have learned some of them.
Then I'll start with the F2L

 

[razorjumper]

DO NOT start with intuitive F2L. Do that when you average at least sub50.
Learn 4LLL first, then intuitive F2L.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3688

i disagree! i learnt f2l on the 2nd day i learnt LBL. with fingertricks i improved up to 1min after a week..

 

[Escher]

i dont think the OLLs are necessary up until you're sub 20, or even sub 18. im a 3-looker and still sub-20. the most important thing is f2l/lookahead. algs can be learnt any time, but training your brain takes a lot
anyway, i think f2l/4Look LL should be at your own pace - if you can cope with both, then fine. i know that i was a 4 looker before i learnt f2l, but it took me a long time to be bothered to learn the algs, so i was around 40-45 secs lbl (whole solve) when i finally learnt them.
theres a clear pattern in that my f2l has always been practised more/better than my LL...

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

i dont think the OLLs are necessary up until you're sub 20, or even sub 18. im a 3-looker and still sub-20. the most important thing is f2l/lookahead. algs can be learnt any time, but training your brain takes a lot

I'm sure you're right, but i've decided to try something else. About 2 weeks ago i started learning the OLLs (i've got a 26avg). I'm planning on finishing the OLLs and then it'll just be practice practice practice from there on.

I'm sure that either way it'll work fine

 

[Swoncen]

I think everything will improve your time. If you learn all OLL's you sure will have better times and if you want to improve your F2L, you have to practise alot and you also will get better. It only depends what you like to do.. learning algs or trying to improve your F2L, fingerskills or whatever..