New V-Cube 7s!

[V-te]

has annyone made an illusion yet?
so that we don't have to wait till december to find out wheter or not it is scrambleable

Wow. Just wow.

Ha, I know.

MM&P said on his status update that someone had actually done so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpgD4xT13b4
at
8:40

 

[kastellorizo]

ok, here is the reply I had from a quick call (it was using roaming service
so it had to be brief).

The ILLusion CAN be scrambled. Many known speedsolvers have been
really confused (hours?) to solve the ILLusion at one of the events
that Konstantinos is currently attending.

This is just to clear up some things.




Pantazis

 

[ConnorCuber]

ok, here is the reply I had from a quick call (it was using roaming service
so it had to be brief).

The ILLusion CAN be scrambled. Many known speedsolvers have been
really confused (hours?) to solve the ILLusion at one of the events
that Konstantinos is currently attending.

This is just to clear up some things.




Pantazis

Do you mind telling us how it looks on the other three faces?

Is it opposite how it is on the ones that can be seen in the picture?

 

[luke1984]

ok, here is the reply I had from a quick call (it was using roaming service
so it had to be brief).

The ILLusion CAN be scrambled. Many known speedsolvers have been
really confused (hours?) to solve the ILLusion at one of the events
that Konstantinos is currently attending.

This is just to clear up some things.




Pantazis

Do you mind telling us how it looks on the other three faces?

Is it opposite how it is on the ones that can be seen in the picture?

I'd like to know that too, if all the faces are exactly the same, it can't be scrambled...

 

[PepperHead]

Maybe the other three sides are stickered?
ILL = black / white exposed plastic
usion = black or white colored, or black / white stickers?

Just an idea...

 

[Me Myself & Pi]

The ILLusion CAN be scrambled. Many known speedsolvers have been
really confused (hours?) to solve the ILLusion at one of the events
that Konstantinos is currently attending.

A 3rd source saying that it can be "scrambled".

But HHHOOOWWW??????
:fp

 

[qqwref]

I remember last year at Essen they had a bunch of 7x7x7s that were stickered in such a way that each face had a checkerboard between stickered and non-stickered pieces. As it turned out, though, it was pretty easy to get to this state - it was just the 9-move checkerboard pattern away from having three adjacent sides stickered and the other three sides blank. If this is what the ILLusion is it is not hard to solve at all, assuming you know how to do the 7x7 in the first place.

kastellorizo: I bet I could solve it in 15 minutes, even if it is completely not what I am expecting If you PM me photos of all sides I will respond how I would solve it.

 

[Faz]

ok, here is the reply I had from a quick call (it was using roaming service
so it had to be brief).

The ILLusion CAN be scrambled. Many known speedsolvers have been
really confused (hours?) to solve the ILLusion at one of the events
that Konstantinos is currently attending.

This is just to clear up some things.




Pantazis

Hmm, I wonder which event

 

[kastellorizo]

Hi again guys. As stated it was a brief phone call and I have no photos.
But from my understanding, the side with the other three faces should
be the negative image of the front side (i.e. some cubies have both black
and white colors).

The theme is not confirmed, but expect some of the event's attendants
to post some photos soon.


Pantazis


PS. By the way qqwref, how are the Tridents going?

 

[jbrungar]

http://www.tiex.de/cubecorner/events/cubing_championships_2009.php
If you look at the high res image of the v-cube stand here, you can see the ILLusion has half white half black edge pieces and the corner has 2 white sides and 1 black.

 

[panyan]

http://www.tiex.de/cubecorner/events/cubing_championships_2009.php
If you look at the high res image of the v-cube stand here, you can see the ILLusion has half white half black edge pieces and the corner has 2 white sides and 1 black.

the only one i can find is this of the verdes stall:
http://www.tiex.de/cubecorner/image...9/jpg_1024/SpeedCubingDUS_20091009_165832.jpg

which image are you meant to be linking us to?

UPDATE: are you talking about this:

 

[jbrungar]

Yes. You can see there that there are edge pieces that are half white, half black, and the corner has 1 black side, so the other sides are the inverse checkerboard.

 

[panyan]

Yes. You can see there that there are edge pieces that are half white, half black, and the corner has 1 black side, so the other sides are the inverse checkerboard.

but the argument is that you cant have corner pieces made out of diferent pieces of plastic because they would be too weak, thus, the corners must be one colour. I dont know if that actually makes a difference.

 

[kastellorizo]

but the argument is that you cant have corner pieces made out of diferent pieces of plastic because they would be too weak, thus, the corners must be one colour.

Why would they be weak? There are many ways to make strong corners
which have two or more colors, especially in mass production.


Pantazis

 

[Me Myself & Pi]

Yay! Finally a picture! But I think your mistaken about it. If you look really close, it looks more like a solid black edge, & a solid white corner. The pieces you see behind make it look like that you see multicolored pieces. Remember they weren't able to make the corners multicolored corners on the Dazzler, so they wouldn't be able to on the ILLusion.

But one interesting note is that the edge piece just under the corner, is white, rather then black. So It's looking more & more like the other 3 sides have inverted checker patterns, but all of the corners are white.

I will try to make a video about this today.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Remember they weren't able to make the corners multicolored corners on the Dazzler, so they wouldn't be able to on the ILLusion.

I don't see how you can say that. There's no indication that they weren't able to make multicolored corners on the Dazzler - it seems to have been a choice, not a requirement. And one assumes that they do have multicolored edges on the Dazzler, so why not multicolored corners as well?

 

[Muesli]

Remember they weren't able to make the corners multicolored corners on the Dazzler, so they wouldn't be able to on the ILLusion.

I don't see how you can say that. There's no indication that they weren't able to make multicolored corners on the Dazzler - it seems to have been a choice, not a requirement. And one assumes that they do have multicolored edges on the Dazzler, so why not multicolored corners as well?

I agree with Mike. There is no indication that V-cubes can't make multi-coloured corners.

If they cannot make corners multi-coloured, how come they can make edges multi-coloured? Surely they would be equally as vulnerable to damage through breaking. If anything, V-cube corners are more stable than the edges, being attatched right into the centre of the puzzle and all.

 

[Me Myself & Pi]

Well you can simply look at a V-Cube & see cracks in the edge pieces. The company obviously molds the edges into TWO pieces. Then they glue them together. So the company can easily mold half of the edge in one color, & the other half in another color. But as for the corners, you don't see any cracks along the edges of the corners. So the company would've had to make a new molds for the corner in order to make it multicolored. If they decided to it, I'm sure they would've implicated it on the Dazzler. I've explained all of this in the my latest status update:

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[Muesli]

I don't believe it would be difficult in the slightest for V-cube to make another set of moulds for a 3 colour corner. As for the Dazzler, my impression is that they did not use coloured corners or centres to add a parity problem to the cube. It would cause problems akin to the impossibility of rotating one and only one corner on the 3x3x3. As the corners are not coloured, it would be impossible to know if one was rotated, therfore causing the rest of the cube to be unsolvable.

 

[esquimalt1]

I think they may be able to do it. Split the corner piece into thirds, then glue the three sections together.