MY Cubing Website! It FAILS!

[cincyaviation]

either the angle or the alg is wrong on the "L" case in 2 look OLL, your choice...

 

[ChrisBird]

Pimp my Cube fails...
Let's make it simple.
1)Disassemble your cube by popping en edge out after turning a layer 45 degrees.
2)Lay them all out with the stickers facing away.
3)Spray with CRC Heavy Duty Silicone or Jigaloo.
4) wait, then reassemble.

This also fails, spraying an unassembled cube with jig-a-loo causes the plastic to melt and become soft. The cube will be terrible and weak.

Make sure you don't fail before saying other people do.

The plastic will be hard by then if you wait enough.

Yea, I guess you could wait a week or so... or be smart and spray it into an assembled puzzle.

The only thing I don't get is, how can you say this when disassembled has already worked for so many people?
In your reply please chop the tree.

It works with Crc just fine, and it is he better way to go, but I know from experience that spraying jig-a-loo onto a disassembled puzzle then letting it sit will just ruin the puzzle.

You can't say "worked for so many people" unless you have a list of people for whom it worked, and they are willing to say it did.

It's like me saying a lot of expert speed solvers use LBL and still get sub-12 solves. I can say that, but I have no evidence to back it up.

~Chris

Telling me to 'chop the (post) tree' instead of doing it yourself just makes me assume you did not feel like you could, or were too lazy. If there was a different reason let me know.

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

Btw, I love the 2OLL page. It's awesome.

 

[puzzlemaster]

Pimp my Cube fails...
Let's make it simple.
1)Disassemble your cube by popping en edge out after turning a layer 45 degrees.
2)Lay them all out with the stickers facing away.
3)Spray with CRC Heavy Duty Silicone or Jigaloo.
4) wait, then reassemble.

This also fails, spraying an unassembled cube with jig-a-loo causes the plastic to melt and become soft. The cube will be terrible and weak.

Make sure you don't fail before saying other people do.

The plastic will be hard by then if you wait enough.

Yea, I guess you could wait a week or so... or be smart and spray it into an assembled puzzle.

The only thing I don't get is, how can you say this when disassembled has already worked for so many people?
In your reply please chop the tree.

It works with Crc just fine, and it is he better way to go, but I know from experience that spraying jig-a-loo onto a disassembled puzzle then letting it sit will just ruin the puzzle.

You can't say "worked for so many people" unless you have a list of people for whom it worked, and they are willing to say it did.

It's like me saying a lot of expert speed solvers use LBL and still get sub-12 solves. I can say that, but I have no evidence to back it up.

~Chris

Telling me to 'chop the (post) tree' instead of doing it yourself just makes me assume you did not feel like you could, or were too lazy. If there was a different reason let me know.

Then i agree with what he says lol. I'm just curious. What does having the puzzle assembled have to do with the quality of the lubrication?

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

Difference:You have to work it in a bit more.

 

[ChrisBird]

Pimp my Cube fails...
Let's make it simple.
1)Disassemble your cube by popping en edge out after turning a layer 45 degrees.
2)Lay them all out with the stickers facing away.
3)Spray with CRC Heavy Duty Silicone or Jigaloo.
4) wait, then reassemble.

This also fails, spraying an unassembled cube with jig-a-loo causes the plastic to melt and become soft. The cube will be terrible and weak.

Make sure you don't fail before saying other people do.

The plastic will be hard by then if you wait enough.

Yea, I guess you could wait a week or so... or be smart and spray it into an assembled puzzle.

The only thing I don't get is, how can you say this when disassembled has already worked for so many people?
In your reply please chop the tree.

It works with Crc just fine, and it is he better way to go, but I know from experience that spraying jig-a-loo onto a disassembled puzzle then letting it sit will just ruin the puzzle.

You can't say "worked for so many people" unless you have a list of people for whom it worked, and they are willing to say it did.

It's like me saying a lot of expert speed solvers use LBL and still get sub-12 solves. I can say that, but I have no evidence to back it up.

~Chris

Telling me to 'chop the (post) tree' instead of doing it yourself just makes me assume you did not feel like you could, or were too lazy. If there was a different reason let me know.

Then i agree with what he says lol. I'm just curious. What does having the puzzle assembled have to do with the quality of the lubrication?

I'd have to say there are similar, but I prefer Jig-a-loo as it is much faster to do.

Difference:You have to work it in a bit more.

Says who?

~Chris

 

[Edward]

chop

This also fails, spraying an unassembled cube with jig-a-loo causes the plastic to melt and become soft. The cube will be terrible and weak.

Make sure you don't fail before saying other people do.

chop

chop

chop

My post wasn't enough to make the post tree unnecessarily big. I knew yours would be, so I just to let you know "Hey, maybe you should chop it".
But that's a bit off topic...

Its not hard to find people who have disassembled and sprayed with Jig-a-loo, and got great results. Just because it didn't work for you, that doesn't mean it can't work for anyone else. Its worked for me, to perfection.

Calling everyone: If Disassemble and spraying with Jig-a-loo has worked for you with no ill-effects, post, or PM. He wants a list, I'll give him a list.

 

[puzzlemaster]

Pimp my Cube fails...
Let's make it simple.
1)Disassemble your cube by popping en edge out after turning a layer 45 degrees.
2)Lay them all out with the stickers facing away.
3)Spray with CRC Heavy Duty Silicone or Jigaloo.
4) wait, then reassemble.

This also fails, spraying an unassembled cube with jig-a-loo causes the plastic to melt and become soft. The cube will be terrible and weak.

Make sure you don't fail before saying other people do.

The plastic will be hard by then if you wait enough.

Yea, I guess you could wait a week or so... or be smart and spray it into an assembled puzzle.

The only thing I don't get is, how can you say this when disassembled has already worked for so many people?
In your reply please chop the tree.

It works with Crc just fine, and it is he better way to go, but I know from experience that spraying jig-a-loo onto a disassembled puzzle then letting it sit will just ruin the puzzle.

You can't say "worked for so many people" unless you have a list of people for whom it worked, and they are willing to say it did.

It's like me saying a lot of expert speed solvers use LBL and still get sub-12 solves. I can say that, but I have no evidence to back it up.

~Chris

Telling me to 'chop the (post) tree' instead of doing it yourself just makes me assume you did not feel like you could, or were too lazy. If there was a different reason let me know.

Then i agree with what he says lol. I'm just curious. What does having the puzzle assembled have to do with the quality of the lubrication?

I'd have to say there are similar, but I prefer Jig-a-loo as it is much faster to do.

That has nothing to do with my question. My question is how does spraying an unassembled puzzle make the plastic weak while spraying an assembled puzzle keeps it sturdy? You obviously use jigaloo. So I would like to know what led you to your conclusion. That is unless of course you said that without sufficient proof.

 

[ChrisBird]

Pimp my Cube fails...
Let's make it simple.
1)Disassemble your cube by popping en edge out after turning a layer 45 degrees.
2)Lay them all out with the stickers facing away.
3)Spray with CRC Heavy Duty Silicone or Jigaloo.
4) wait, then reassemble.

This also fails, spraying an unassembled cube with jig-a-loo causes the plastic to melt and become soft. The cube will be terrible and weak.

Make sure you don't fail before saying other people do.

The plastic will be hard by then if you wait enough.

Yea, I guess you could wait a week or so... or be smart and spray it into an assembled puzzle.

The only thing I don't get is, how can you say this when disassembled has already worked for so many people?
In your reply please chop the tree.

It works with Crc just fine, and it is he better way to go, but I know from experience that spraying jig-a-loo onto a disassembled puzzle then letting it sit will just ruin the puzzle.

You can't say "worked for so many people" unless you have a list of people for whom it worked, and they are willing to say it did.

It's like me saying a lot of expert speed solvers use LBL and still get sub-12 solves. I can say that, but I have no evidence to back it up.

~Chris

Telling me to 'chop the (post) tree' instead of doing it yourself just makes me assume you did not feel like you could, or were too lazy. If there was a different reason let me know.

Then i agree with what he says lol. I'm just curious. What does having the puzzle assembled have to do with the quality of the lubrication?

I'd have to say there are similar, but I prefer Jig-a-loo as it is much faster to do.

That has nothing to do with my question. My question is how does spraying an unassembled puzzle make the plastic weak while spraying an assembled puzzle keeps it sturdy? You obviously use jigaloo. So I would like to know what led you to your conclusion. That is unless of course you said that without sufficient proof.

Oh, sorry for interpreting the question incorrectly.

To answer your question the short way: Spraying jig-a-loo in a puzzle thats assembled and then working it in, you are spreading it out in such a way that there is so little on the surface of each piece is has no negative effect. But spraying it on and letting it sit for an hour before reassembling allows the jig-a-loo to dissolve the plastic.

When I first got Jig-a-loo back when I was more of a noob then I am now, I did it the same way you would with normal silicone. Disassembling the puzzle, spraying completely, letting it sit for an hour or so, then reassembling it.

When I got back after an hour (on my main speed cube at the time, and old type a) I felt that the pieces were soft. So I grabbed a pencil and proceeded to making indents in the corners and edges with the pencil. Needless to say that puzzle is gone now as it was completely unuseable. Then to test the hypothesis that it was Jig-a-loo's failure, and not my application method, I proceeded to buy 3 dianshengs. One I sprayed jig-a-loo in and worked it in while assembled (a method I had never thought of till I saw it on youtube), one I sprayed it disassembled and let it sit for an hour (like the type a) and one I sprayed it disassembled and assembled it within 10 minutes.

On the two that were disassembled they became to soft/weak to use and had to be trashed (or in my case, used for extending cubes, you know, like lame 3x3x5). And the one which I sprayed into the assembled cube worked like a charm, and was actually my main speed cube for a couple months (I still have this one).

I do see many problems/experimental errors as well as things that were not tested, and human errors that could have occured, but the overall results I believe were correct.

I will now take a few of my leftover parts from random mods/broken cubes and test the softness of pieces.

My experiment will be structured as follows:
8 Diansheng corners (only pieces I have enough of to perform a good controlled experiment)

All pieces will be sprayed with the same amount of jig-a-loo (3 passes over with the spray can) on the same side of the corner.

Piece #1: 3 Minutes
Piece #2: 5 Minutes
Piece #3: 10 Minutes
Piece #4: 20 Minutes
Piece #5: 30 Minutes
Piece #6: 45 Minutes
Piece #7: 1 Hour
Piece #8: 1 Hour 30 Mins

We shall see the results, which I will post in a video when I have the time to make the experiment.

If the results show I am right, will it be enough proof?
If the results show that I am wrong, I will apologize and assume massive human error on my 2 dianshengs and old type a.

Will this suffice?

~Chris

 

[puzzlemaster]

Pimp my Cube fails...
Let's make it simple.
1)Disassemble your cube by popping en edge out after turning a layer 45 degrees.
2)Lay them all out with the stickers facing away.
3)Spray with CRC Heavy Duty Silicone or Jigaloo.
4) wait, then reassemble.

This also fails, spraying an unassembled cube with jig-a-loo causes the plastic to melt and become soft. The cube will be terrible and weak.

Make sure you don't fail before saying other people do.

The plastic will be hard by then if you wait enough.

Yea, I guess you could wait a week or so... or be smart and spray it into an assembled puzzle.

The only thing I don't get is, how can you say this when disassembled has already worked for so many people?
In your reply please chop the tree.

It works with Crc just fine, and it is he better way to go, but I know from experience that spraying jig-a-loo onto a disassembled puzzle then letting it sit will just ruin the puzzle.

You can't say "worked for so many people" unless you have a list of people for whom it worked, and they are willing to say it did.

It's like me saying a lot of expert speed solvers use LBL and still get sub-12 solves. I can say that, but I have no evidence to back it up.

~Chris

Telling me to 'chop the (post) tree' instead of doing it yourself just makes me assume you did not feel like you could, or were too lazy. If there was a different reason let me know.

Then i agree with what he says lol. I'm just curious. What does having the puzzle assembled have to do with the quality of the lubrication?

I'd have to say there are similar, but I prefer Jig-a-loo as it is much faster to do.

That has nothing to do with my question. My question is how does spraying an unassembled puzzle make the plastic weak while spraying an assembled puzzle keeps it sturdy? You obviously use jigaloo. So I would like to know what led you to your conclusion. That is unless of course you said that without sufficient proof.

Oh, sorry for interpreting the question incorrectly.

To answer your question the short way: Spraying jig-a-loo in a puzzle thats assembled and then working it in, you are spreading it out in such a way that there is so little on the surface of each piece is has no negative effect. But spraying it on and letting it sit for an hour before reassembling allows the jig-a-loo to dissolve the plastic.

When I first got Jig-a-loo back when I was more of a noob then I am now, I did it the same way you would with normal silicone. Disassembling the puzzle, spraying completely, letting it sit for an hour or so, then reassembling it.

When I got back after an hour (on my main speed cube at the time, and old type a) I felt that the pieces were soft. So I grabbed a pencil and proceeded to making indents in the corners and edges with the pencil. Needless to say that puzzle is gone now as it was completely unuseable. Then to test the hypothesis that it was Jig-a-loo's failure, and not my application method, I proceeded to buy 3 dianshengs. One I sprayed jig-a-loo in and worked it in while assembled (a method I had never thought of till I saw it on youtube), one I sprayed it disassembled and let it sit for an hour (like the type a) and one I sprayed it disassembled and assembled it within 10 minutes.

On the two that were disassembled they became to soft/weak to use and had to be trashed (or in my case, used for extending cubes, you know, like lame 3x3x5). And the one which I sprayed into the assembled cube worked like a charm, and was actually my main speed cube for a couple months (I still have this one).

I do see many problems/experimental errors as well as things that were not tested, and human errors that could have occured, but the overall results I believe were correct.

I will now take a few of my leftover parts from random mods/broken cubes and test the softness of pieces.

My experiment will be structured as follows:
8 Diansheng corners (only pieces I have enough of to perform a good controlled experiment)

All pieces will be sprayed with the same amount of jig-a-loo (3 passes over with the spray can) on the same side of the corner.

Piece #1: 3 Minutes
Piece #2: 5 Minutes
Piece #3: 10 Minutes
Piece #4: 20 Minutes
Piece #5: 30 Minutes
Piece #6: 45 Minutes
Piece #7: 1 Hour
Piece #8: 1 Hour 30 Mins

We shall see the results, which I will post in a video when I have the time to make the experiment.

If the results show I am right, will it be enough proof?
If the results show that I am wrong, I will apologize and assume massive human error on my 2 dianshengs and old type a.

Will this suffice?

~Chris

Sounds good to me. It'll benefit the community some too if that's bad for the cube. I've lubed a lot of my puzzles like that...and they've turned out fine. Maybe too much Jigaloo? Anyway, i'm interested to see this video.

 

[CitricAcid]

^^
LOL, this thread went into a whole different ball-game.

Chris, I'm excited to hear about the outcome of your experiment.


EDIT: I have my storebought that I modified using this. If anyone is going to DC Open, I can show it to you.

It's my second main speedcube. My FII is number 1, but only slightly.

 

[Carson]

That has nothing to do with my question. My question is how does spraying an unassembled puzzle make the plastic weak while spraying an assembled puzzle keeps it sturdy? You obviously use jigaloo. So I would like to know what led you to your conclusion. That is unless of course you said that without sufficient proof.

Didn't feel like quoting all of that.

Based upon my own experience (no one else's): CRC only dissolves plastic while it is in it's liquid state. After it dries, it appears to be plastic safe. I have tried disassembling and also just spraying it in between pieces using the included "straw". Using the straw has worked fine for me for the most part, except for one incident in which it basically ruined my original type F. The plastic actually "bubbled up" to an extent. I did manage to salvage it by using a razor blade to scrap off the layer of dissolved plastic from the top. I believe that turning the cube continuously until the crc dries helps to keep too much of it from building up on the plastic, thus reducing the damage it does.

My preferred way of lubing (although I don't usually do this because it takes more time) is to disassemble and spray a VERY light mist onto the cubies. The lighter the coating, the faster it dried, therefore reducing the amount of damage it can do. After that coat has dried, you can add another coat since the first coat will act as a barrier to protect the plastic.

Just my $0.02 and strictly an opinion. I did however find this on CRC's site, so I think we can say definitively that CRC will damage plastic at least to some degree.

 

[tkcube1]

I used your sight to learn 2 look oll back in the day. (A couple months ago but it feels longer.)

 

[puzzlemaster]

That has nothing to do with my question. My question is how does spraying an unassembled puzzle make the plastic weak while spraying an assembled puzzle keeps it sturdy? You obviously use jigaloo. So I would like to know what led you to your conclusion. That is unless of course you said that without sufficient proof.

Didn't feel like quoting all of that.

Based upon my own experience (no one else's): CRC only dissolves plastic while it is in it's liquid state. After it dries, it appears to be plastic safe. I have tried disassembling and also just spraying it in between pieces using the included "straw". Using the straw has worked fine for me for the most part, except for one incident in which it basically ruined my original type F. The plastic actually "bubbled up" to an extent. I did manage to salvage it by using a razor blade to scrap off the layer of dissolved plastic from the top. I believe that turning the cube continuously until the crc dries helps to keep too much of it from building up on the plastic, thus reducing the damage it does.

My preferred way of lubing (although I don't usually do this because it takes more time) is to disassemble and spray a VERY light mist onto the cubies. The lighter the coating, the faster it dried, therefore reducing the amount of damage it can do. After that coat has dried, you can add another coat since the first coat will act as a barrier to protect the plastic.

Just my $0.02 and strictly an opinion. I did however find this on CRC's site, so I think we can say definitively that CRC will damage plastic at least to some degree.

Interesting. For all of my cubes, no matter how much CRC or Jigaloo i've put in, I haven't noticed any adverse effects. However I haven't marinated the cube in it. Regardless, I'm interested to see the results of Chris's experiment.

 

[Innocence]

That has nothing to do with my question. My question is how does spraying an unassembled puzzle make the plastic weak while spraying an assembled puzzle keeps it sturdy? You obviously use jigaloo. So I would like to know what led you to your conclusion. That is unless of course you said that without sufficient proof.

Didn't feel like quoting all of that.

Based upon my own experience (no one else's): CRC only dissolves plastic while it is in it's liquid state. After it dries, it appears to be plastic safe. I have tried disassembling and also just spraying it in between pieces using the included "straw". Using the straw has worked fine for me for the most part, except for one incident in which it basically ruined my original type F. The plastic actually "bubbled up" to an extent. I did manage to salvage it by using a razor blade to scrap off the layer of dissolved plastic from the top. I believe that turning the cube continuously until the crc dries helps to keep too much of it from building up on the plastic, thus reducing the damage it does.

My preferred way of lubing (although I don't usually do this because it takes more time) is to disassemble and spray a VERY light mist onto the cubies. The lighter the coating, the faster it dried, therefore reducing the amount of damage it can do. After that coat has dried, you can add another coat since the first coat will act as a barrier to protect the plastic.

Just my $0.02 and strictly an opinion. I did however find this on CRC's site, so I think we can say definitively that CRC will damage plastic at least to some degree.

That makes me so glad I couldn't find heavy duty and instead used 808. It mentions plastic as a possible application on the label, so I'm pretty sure that one is definitely plastic safe.

 

[Meep]

Pimp my Cube fails...
Let's make it simple.
1)Disassemble your cube by popping en edge out after turning a layer 45 degrees.
2)Lay them all out with the stickers facing away.
3)Spray with CRC Heavy Duty Silicone or Jigaloo.
4) wait, then reassemble.

This also fails, spraying an unassembled cube with jig-a-loo causes the plastic to melt and become soft. The cube will be terrible and weak.

Make sure you don't fail before saying other people do.

The plastic will be hard by then if you wait enough.

Yea, I guess you could wait a week or so... or be smart and spray it into an assembled puzzle.

You hardly have to wait honestly lol. I personally just pop an edge and spray but I can tell you that the plastic will harden again a lot faster than you think =(