Moving from LBL to Fridrich... YIKES!!!!111

Cuber1974

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Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum but have a keen interest in cubing and was directed here by a local website.

I'm old enough to have been around when the original 3x3x3 hit the market and although I had a play with several in the day, I never learned to solve it and gave up (switching back to arcade games as most kids do!).

Only until as recently as this Xmas past, I didn't own a cube until the kids (who know I'm into 80s retro in a big way as it was my era I grew up in) bought dad a shiny new Rubik's original.

I loved the trip down memory lane and apart from giving the cube a quick play over the next week or two, didn't really get down to learning it until about 3 months back. At that time the kids asked quite innocently why I hadn't solved it yet and as a challenge I decided to give it a crack and actually learn to solve the cube for myself.

I did a little reading online and stumbled across a number of beginner methods, settling on this LBL method :

http://www.chessandpoker.com/rubiks-cube-solution.html

I chose it for it's beginner friendly explaination and use of graphics to show what face to turn. Notation for cubing might be very easy for the experienced cuber, but for someone new to the hobby it can be a little confusing to pick up. I admit I still am not overly familiar with the Notation method, finding it simpler to just follow little diagrams as the above article indicated.

About 6 weeks after starting to learn how to solve the cube I was able to remember the last 'hard' algorithm by heart (the Dedmore Fish) and for the first time in my life I was able to actually solve a rubik's cube on my own.

:D

Fast forward a couple months and whilst I'm able to solve every time with this method, it's Sloooooooow! I can get sub 2 minutes without a problem, but it's still way too slow for what I'm after so recently I've decided to step it up and go from LBL to a much faster method.

For a start, I've picked up a White Grade A pre-lubed speed cube (which I've fallen in LOVE with - what a difference!) and whilst it's shaving a fair amount off my LBL times, I'm still looking for a 'proper' solve method.

My ultimate goal is to go sub 30 seconds and I don't care how long it takes to get there!

Now to someone with less than 6 months experience under the belt, the Fridrich is quite frightening. Whilst the algorithms are not on par with the massive Dedmore Fish (22 moves!) which I've now remembered, what it lacks in size of algorithms it more than makes up for with sheer number of algorithms that you have to remember! :eek::eek::eek:

So I've done a little research, watched a few clips online and downloaded a few algorithm sheets in order to start tackling the Fridrich, but at present it's proving difficult to start proper training.

The LBL I've linked above is laid out in a format that's very easy for the laymen to read and more importantly, understand - but moving on to the Fridrich it feels like the training wheels have been kicked off and you have to either pedal or fall off your bike. I am having great difficulty finding a good, solid guide that will graduate the LBL cuber into the Fridrich method from start to finish - all I can find so far are algorithm charts and a few lines of advice on what to look for. Very little content on the logic behind it or the best methods to employ to reset the mind from LBL to the next step.

At the moment it feels like I have to start all over again as virtually none of what I've already learned algorithm wise seems to apply to the advanced method(s).


So my question is for those who are more expereinced in regards to learning the Fridrich...

How the hell did you tackle it? :confused:

How did you get your foot into the water on this one without immediately drowning in the myriad of algorithms to remember?

Is there anywhere online you can find a solid tutorial that connects the base LBL method with the Fridrich in easy to understand notation?

At the moment I'm very eager to move from the base LBL into more advanced solving grounds, but I really need help because I can't find a tutorial online anywhere that makes logical sense without tripping over itself on over complicating presentation or making heavy assumptions on assumed knowledge. :rolleyes:

Any advice appreciated!

Cheers
 
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I went to these pages for F2L... Badmephisto is the best with tutorials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-xbcAMfWwM (F2L part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GxLM_dZqg4 (F2L part 2)

By far the best videos out there, I got it after watching them twice.



Excellent. This is the sort of thing I am definitely after and after watching the first few minutes, I can see he's taking the time to show you properly how it works (and the logic behind it!) which is precisely what I am after!

Is there anyone out there doing this sort of thing for the entire Fridrich thought?

That would be pretty much the holy grail of what I'm after at the moment, but that's a fantastic link posted there - definitely bookmarked and currently downloading to my IPOD to watch adnauseum ;)

What about finger tricks? I've seen a few vids online for this, but still fumble over exactly how I should be turning components on the cube (ie with which fingers) for maximum speed.

Many thanks!!!
 
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He has his own website... I just cannot get to it right now. I'll give you the link ASAP.

P.S. I worship Badmephitso, he is the greatest.

EDIT: these should be enough to chew on for now, though. You can still do the LBL last layer.
 
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Yeah i used Badmephisto's vid too i think and i learned how to solve it intuitively. I just couldn't handle all those algorithms so i learned all the solutions for LBL and F2L intuitively. At first i just couldn't understand it(F2L),so i just quit but for some reason i had an urge to go back and try to learn F2L and after an hour or two it just clicked into my mind and i understood it. Well Good Luck :)
 
He has his own website... I just cannot get to it right now. I'll give you the link ASAP.

P.S. I worship Badmephitso, he is the greatest.

EDIT: these should be enough to chew on for now, though. You can still do the LBL last layer.

Yeah for sure. If you can get me the link that would be very nice indeed. It didn't even occur to me to do the last layer for the moment by LBL until I get the 2FL down. Great tip!

Yeah i used Badmephisto's vid too i think and i learned how to solve it intuitively. I just couldn't handle all those algorithms so i learned all the solutions for LBL and F2L intuitively. At first i just couldn't understand it(F2L),so i just quit but for some reason i had an urge to go back and try to learn F2L and after an hour or two it just clicked into my mind and i understood it. Well Good Luck :)

Well whilst algorithms can be quite daunting I find practise and repetition is the key to remembering them. I didn't even try to remember the last move on the LBL before solve because a 20+ algorithm was just over the top for my mind, but I finally got there and remember it easily now so I know it can be done.

It all just takes time and practise practise practise.

I don't mind the difficulty factor on the method, as long as it's the RIGHT method and technique to use...

Many thanks for the tips guys and for sure I'll look forward to browsing his website when I get the link.
 
What's great about badmephisto's beginner (and intermediate) method is that he sets up you for the full Fridrich; you only need a handful of algorithms to solve reasonably fast, and then you can add to them at your leisure (and make yourself faster) until you own the whole shebang. Fridrich scales really well that way--no one ever has to eat to whole thing at once.

Good luck!
 
Badmephisto's site is (simply enough :) ) http://www.badmephisto.com/ or http://badmephisto.dyndns.org/ It seems to be down at the moment, however.

A good fingertricks video to watch is this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdSiQQ9VSEY&feature=channel_page

You don't really need to memorize those algorithms at this point, just pay attention to how he turns the cube (use of index finger for U/U', wrist R/R', double flick for U2, etc.). It helped me when I started trying to learn fingertricks and such.


As for the algorithms, you don't need to learn all of them. Lets take a look:

Absolute full Fridrich is F2L + OLL + PLL or 41 + 57 + 21 which equals 119.

But you SHOULD learn F2L intuitively (no algorithms) so it's 119 - 41 or only 78 for full Fridrich.

Since your goal is to get under 30 seconds, you don't need all 57 OLL's; you can easily get sub-30 (and sub-20 for that matter) with just 9 OLL's and do 2-look OLL. So 9 + 21 = 30.

If you're super lazy, you can learn only 6 PLL's and do 2-look PLL, but that's slow and not recommended (only 9 + 6 = 15).


So, in reality, you only need to learn 30 algorithms to be able to get sub-30: 9 OLLs for 2-look OLL and 21 PLLs for full PLL. If you want to get faster than 20-25 seconds, of course, you should learn more OLLs.


If 30 algorithms still sounds like a big number, here's a video to motivate you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Dtn3ShgtQ&feature=channel_page

:D
 
That was a great first post, and really nice to read.

If you still don't understand notation, watch badmephisto's beginner tutorial, he goes over it and explains it I believe. It's really important to understand that stuff :p. Once it clicks it's simple, though.

Good luck!
 
wow. longest prompt ever.

anyway, definitely watch badmephisto's youtube videos and go to his site.

badmephisto takes you all the way through the fridrich method. and don't worry if stuff seems intimidating at first; just practice it. of course, most of the time, you will be slower after you learn a new step of fridrich. don't let this discourage you. just practice, and it will be worth it in the long run.
 
Thank you so much everyone for your helpful and quick responses!!!!

Looks like I have some fantastic starter advice here which I *really* appreciate after having walked through the masses of information out there without any real direction.

Needless to say I'm going to be very busy over the next few days getting a feeling for where to head from here.

I definitely like learning in bite sized chunks and will no doubt over time learn much of it intuitively. The starter LBL Algorithms I've learned in the link I've already mentioned took about 4 weeks for me to learn (casually) and they're ingrained now into my memory enough that I do them on instinct alone, so I am confident I am ready to take it to the next level.

I'll be sure to report my progress and ask further questions as I need.

By all means, if you have any more useful info to throw in my direction I'd definitely appreciate it else the info already supplied will definitely plant my feet on the right track.

Many thanks again guys.
 
If 30 algorithms still sounds like a big number, here's a video to motivate you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Dtn3ShgtQ&feature=channel_page

:D

I just need to point out that in my eyes, this person is a god.

This would be the holy grail for me... but I just sit there literally in AWE watching this guy go.

Wow... just... wow... :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

It's just practice to get you there. I'm not there yet, but I start to find myself watching and being able to see what is going on (Even though my times suck).
 
So, in reality, you only need to learn 30 algorithms to be able to get sub-30: 9 OLLs for 2-look OLL and 21 PLLs for full PLL. If you want to get faster than 20-25 seconds, of course, you should learn more OLLs.


Definitely not true, I was sub-30 with beginner's method last layer, but with basic F2L, and this is also true for many others.
 
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