Maybe exclusive cliquishness needs to stop.

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aridus

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I'm seeing this go on lately, and while I realize there are differences between people who "cube" and people who don't, I also see that some people seem to exhibit excessive tightness of the posterior region.

I don't need validation from people who don't understand why I solve cubes, and I certainly don't need yours or anyone else's either. Rather do it entirely alone than associate with some of the type of people I've seen lately. I could live with that, totally, if that's what it comes down to.
 
Ironic that you want to create your own exclusiveness to escape some perceived cliquishness and then publicize this exclusiveness to everyone.

lolsoz that was mean. For seriousness, we're not all bad. Come to the chatroom if you want 8).

Edit: Yeah, reading it over and over, your post's structure is completely off. My interpretation is probably wrong.
 
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Nah, I was just being very general. It could be applied to a lot of things. I just left it very open as to what I'm talking about.
 
Get over it. There will be cliques wherever you go in life. Like seriously, where do you get the right to go around telling people not to have a group of friends?

The only thing that gives a clique any sort of authority such that you would be compelled to make a thread like this is only a perceived superiority. If you don't perceive any clique as having any sort of authority then they won't.

Also, any particular clique that you might be having trouble with has probably earned the right to the perceived superiority that they have, for whichever reason. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that respect is given when it has been earned. Therefore it is probably the case that any clique that you may have a problem with has earned the right to be tight-asses. Perhaps you feel that they haven't, but not having the balls to come out and say anything straight makes it extremely difficult for you to do anything about it.
 
Dene said:
Get over it. There will be cliques wherever you go in life. Like seriously, where do you get the right to go around telling people not to have a group of friends?

The only thing that gives a clique any sort of authority such that you would be compelled to make a thread like this is only a perceived superiority. If you don't perceive any clique as having any sort of authority then they won't.

Also, any particular clique that you might be having trouble with has probably earned the right to the perceived superiority that they have, for whichever reason. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that respect is given when it has been earned. Therefore it is probably the case that any clique that you may have a problem with has earned the right to be tight-asses. Perhaps you feel that they haven't, but not having the balls to come out and say anything straight makes it extremely difficult for you to do anything about it.
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Hey, people can do whatever they want. I can't actually stop anyone. BUT I CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.

It's not "difficult to do anything about it", its impossible. And I know that. Nobody "earns", all ASSUME. Even me.

Talking is not doing. All I can do is say "hey, I don't like you." Same as anyone else. The difference is some people feel it is justified when they do it and others disagree. The alternative is going around punching people in the face, and I'm not that type of person.
 
Of course it isn't impossible. If you feel you have compelling reason to bring down a clique then you could present your arguments in a logical manner and let other people decide for themselves. The other way to go about it would be to build up your own clique as a "rival" clique and "take over" in a way.

As for your statement that nobody earns (the perceived authority), I believe that you are wrong. I can assure you that there are cliques of morons around here and they don't have any perceived authority at all. The reason for that is because they are morons, therefore do not earn any perceived authority. You might even say that nobody would assume that they have any authority. So in a sense, earning perceived authority is the same thing as people assuming it.

Like I say, it would be possible to do something about it. I would suggest that instead of making silly threads that only cause neutral observers to perceive you as someone to look down upon, you take the time to integrate yourself into the community so that people come to perceive you as a respectable character, whether alone or as a part of a clique, so that you earn the right yourself to pass your opinions by the community. (In saying this I am not implying that I myself am in this situation; to be perfectly honest I don't give a rats posterior region what anybody thinks of me; I say what I want and how people choose to respond is up to them).
 
Dene said:
Of course it isn't impossible. If you feel you have compelling reason to bring down a clique then you could present your arguments in a logical manner and let other people decide for themselves.
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History disagrees strongly. Politics in practice does as well. Watch any political debate or election. People act no differently here. The only time it has the illusion of working is when groupthink is disguised as "success".

The other way to go about it would be to build up your own clique as a "rival" clique and "take over" in a way.
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I don't want more rivals. I want less.

As for your statement that nobody earns (the perceived authority), I believe that you are wrong. I can assure you that there are cliques of morons around here and they don't have any perceived authority at all. The reason for that is because they are morons, therefore do not earn any perceived authority. You might even say that nobody would assume that they have any authority. So in a sense, earning perceived authority is the same thing as people assuming it.
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One can only "earn" something in the eyes of another. It clearly depends on the perceptions of people. There is no universal way to say someone earns something, and there is no universal authority. There is only self claimed authority or authority given by others based on their perceptions. "Earning" means "prove yourself to me/us". Who gives the authority to demand such a thing?

Like I say, it would be possible to do something about it. I would suggest that instead of making silly threads that only cause neutral observers to perceive you as someone to look down upon, you take the time to integrate yourself into the community so that people come to perceive you as a respectable character, whether alone or as a part of a clique, so that you earn the right yourself to pass your opinions by the community. (In saying this I am not implying that I myself am in this situation; to be perfectly honest I don't give a rats posterior region what anybody thinks of me; I say what I want and how people choose to respond is up to them).
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If it was a group I wanted to be a part of, they'd already be hearing me.
 
I think I understand your opinion on some of the cliques here, but I don't think it's right to generalize all of them because of a few (or many, or whatever) cliques have tainted your taste for them.

I strongly agree with you: There are some cliques in the community that the way they act is quite irritating. I also would say though that there are some incredibly friendly cliques. Not all of them are bad. I share your opinion in that at least one group of people like to think they are superior to you and above you, for whatever reason. Their reason need not be justified, but because they hold some sort of popularity with a few others, they feel like they are always in the correct. This doesn't mean they all act this way.

Have you been to any competitions yet? You'll quickly see everybody splits off into groups, but groups mingle quite a bit too. You'll see groups of 5 or so over there, 7 or 8 guys over there, but then you'll see people floating around and what not. You'll often find the same core group of people (Jim, Chester, Shaden, Mike), but anybody is welcome to come hang out.

Cliques here on SS are a bit different, and personalities are just different online anyway.

It appears to me that a decent handful of people think Dene isn't a nice guy, but (to my knowledge) Dene and I seem to get along just fine. I don't think he's mean at all, he tells you how it is, and a lot of times people can't handle that. Of course Dene belongs to a (few) clique(s), but he's pretty approachable.

Complaining about a clique publicly won't get you anywhere either. I had a discussion one evening with Lucas Garron about this, while I was annoyed with how some people were acting.

At best, just find your own group of friends, and ignore those that you don't like (or that don't like you).
 
fatboyxpc said:
I think I understand your opinion on some of the cliques here, but I don't think it's right to generalize all of them because of a few (or many, or whatever) cliques have tainted your taste for them.

I strongly agree with you: There are some cliques in the community that the way they act is quite irritating. I also would say though that there are some incredibly friendly cliques. Not all of them are bad. I share your opinion in that at least one group of people like to think they are superior to you and above you, for whatever reason. Their reason need not be justified, but because they hold some sort of popularity with a few others, they feel like they are always in the correct. This doesn't mean they all act this way.

Have you been to any competitions yet? You'll quickly see everybody splits off into groups, but groups mingle quite a bit too. You'll see groups of 5 or so over there, 7 or 8 guys over there, but then you'll see people floating around and what not. You'll often find the same core group of people (Jim, Chester, Shaden, Mike), but anybody is welcome to come hang out.

Cliques here on SS are a bit different, and personalities are just different online anyway.

It appears to me that a decent handful of people think Dene isn't a nice guy, but (to my knowledge) Dene and I seem to get along just fine. I don't think he's mean at all, he tells you how it is, and a lot of times people can't handle that. Of course Dene belongs to a (few) clique(s), but he's pretty approachable.

Complaining about a clique publicly won't get you anywhere either. I had a discussion one evening with Lucas Garron about this, while I was annoyed with how some people were acting.

At best, just find your own group of friends, and ignore those that you don't like (or that don't like you).
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Yeah, you're probably right. Maybe it's just the internet being more impersonal and all that.

I just think it's a bit silly to see what some might consider to be outcasts of outcasts outcasting other outcasts. Not that I consider cubers outcasts at all, but I know of some who would like us to think that.

Maybe this was just my attempt at pointing out a cruel irony, gone horribly wrong.
 
aridus said:
I just think it's a bit silly to see what some might consider to be outcasts of outcasts outcasting other outcasts. Not that I consider cubers outcasts at all, but I know of some who would like us to think that.
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When I was talking about this with Lucas, this was pretty much my thought. You can't avoid cliques though, no matter where you go. People just group together, you'll see it wherever you go. You find people that you get along with and stick with them, that's just how it goes man.

I think had you said what I quoted, instead of ranting, this thread would have gone a bit differently. But all in all, nobody wants to put up with somebody they can't tolerate, so they wouldn't be in a group with those type of people.
 
fatboyxpc said:
Of course Dene belongs to a (few) clique(s)
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Nevar.

fatboyxpc said:
but he's pretty approachable.
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Then I must be doing something wrong.

aridus said:
One can only "earn" something in the eyes of another. It clearly depends on the perceptions of people. There is no universal way to say someone earns something, and there is no universal authority. There is only self claimed authority or authority given by others based on their perceptions. "Earning" means "prove yourself to me/us". Who gives the authority to demand such a thing?
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If this is what you are going to argue for then there is no point to this continuing. It's a completely different debate and has no basis in the social world. Perhaps you should read some Wittgenstein to get an idea of my views on this subject.
 
Dene said:
If this is what you are going to argue for then there is no point to this continuing. It's a completely different debate and has no basis in the social world. Perhaps you should read some Wittgenstein to get an idea of my views on this subject.
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I know about that guy. I don't like him either. :D

This should be taken as a joke.
 
this forum is a clique. if you have 100+ posts, you're immune to everything. You can post garbage, spam, be a postwhore, insult others, be inappropriate, break rules, and do whatever you please without being frowned upon. If you have less than 100 posts, you're treated as a pile of crap no matter what good you do. Everyone looks down upon you and moderators ban you for no reason because they think that every post you make is spam.
 
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