Let WCA allow the Dayan color cubes

[MovingOnUp]

No one is going to change the rules for one person's benefit. This thread is ridiculous

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

But then records could not compare to old ones. It would have to be a new event or something. The logistics of it require too much from the WCA. Just give it up and follow the current rules.

I ask people who approve of colored cubes for lookahead: do you support use of steroids in baseball? because it's a similar concept. Sure, everyone can use it, but is it really the right thing to have allowed?

The steroids is not a valid comparison as pointed out by someone else.

Also, by your logic, we should ban all but the cubes which were available from the first competition, as the newer ones are better and therefore invalidate the old records set when they weren't available. Normal stickered GuHongs have far better reverse cutting than Rubik's brand cubes, you think they should be banned too? And don't even think about reducing popping with torpedoes. I don't see that opinion becoming popular.

Whenever better hardware comes out which offers an improvement to speed without changing the nature of the puzzle, it should be freely usable in competitions IMO. It baffles me that a lot of people accept some advances and are against others, in a seemingly arbitrary fashion.

 

[asportking]

No one is going to change the rules for one person's benefit. This thread is ridiculous

I wouldn't really say that the thread is ridiculous. While Womack originally made this thread to change the rules about stickerless cubes, most of the thread is a debate about whether WCA should allow stickerless cubes in competitions, which is a legitimate topic.

As for my opinion, I don't think they should be allowed. Just like pillowed cubes, it gives too much of an advantage for lookahead.

 

[Michael Womack]

I wouldn't really say that the thread is ridiculous. While Womack originally made this thread to change the rules about stickerless cubes, most of the thread is a debate about whether WCA should allow stickerless cubes in competitions, which is a legitimate topic.

As for my opinion, I don't think they should be allowed. Just like pillowed cubes, it gives too much of an advantage for lookahead.

I agree with you but when you said that pillowed cube aren't allowed thats saying that they should remove the 7x7 event.

 

[cubersmith]

It was a joke, Jesus.

Leave him alone.

 

[asportking]

I agree with you but when you said that pillowed cube aren't allowed thats saying that they should remove the 7x7 event.

7x7 is an exception, because the only 7x7s that are made are pillowed, and from what I understand, the 7x7 mechanism becomes sort of unstable when it's not pillowed.

 

[Litz]

You seriously want to change the rules so you don't have to pay 15$ for a new cube and spend "like 10 hours" breaking it in?

 

[Michael Womack]

7x7 is an exception, because the only 7x7s that are made are pillowed, and from what I understand, the 7x7 mechanism becomes sort of unstable when it's not pillowed.

but there are a few "Cubic" 7x7 in existance tony fishers and this one

 

[asportking]

but there are a few "Cubic" 7x7 in existance tony fishers and this one

Neither of those are mass-produced.

 

[Michael Womack]

Neither of those are mass-produced.

but it could happen

 

[cubersmith]

but there are a few "Cubic" 7x7 in existance tony fishers and this one

Thats cool, just proves its not impossible

 

[asportking]

but it could happen

I believe someone said that if it did happen, then pillowed 7x7s wouldn't be allowed. But until then, they are allowed.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

I believe someone said that if it did happen, then pillowed 7x7s wouldn't be allowed. But until then, they are allowed.

That was Ron.

 

[cubernya]

And when it does, pillowed will be illegal. It's already been said by Ron

Edit: Ninja'd

 

[Meep]

but it could happen

They're also unstable from what I've heard, where V7s turn really well. Would imagine big cube solvers wouldn't be too happy if they were forced to downgrade due to the regulations. As for the colored cubes, some might not think it'd provide much of an advantage, but if you imagine someone starting out with one and purposely practiced to use it, it really doesn't take much for us to recognize and acknowledge colors (even just 0.1s glances). It's also not a hardware performance improvement, it's just like sticking colored flags on cubies that won't get in your fingers' ways. It's less like having spikes on shoes for grip and more like something that told you exactly where a ball would end up without putting the effort to watch where it's headed.

 

[Michael Womack]

They're also unstable from what I've heard, where V7s turn really well. Would imagine big cube solvers wouldn't be too happy if they were forced to downgrade due to the regulations. As for the colored cubes, some might not think it'd provide much of an advantage, but if you imagine someone starting out with one and purposely practiced to use it, it really doesn't take much for us to recognize and acknowledge colors (even just 0.1s glances). It's also not a hardware performance improvement, it's just like sticking colored flags on cubies that won't get in your fingers' ways. It's less like having spikes on shoes for grip and more like something that told you exactly where a ball would end up without putting the effort to watch where it's headed.

wow that is one GREAT explanation on that and I think that sums up the hole thread in one post.

 

[Rpotts]

So you submit to the reasoning behind the WCA's decision then? You admit that color cubes shouldn't be allowed?

 

[Michael Womack]

So you submit to the reasoning behind the WCA's decision then? You admit that color cubes shouldn't be allowed?

not really but meep gave a good reason why they should be allowed

 

[Rpotts]

What else other than good reasons do you need? You can't expect us to say, "Oh well this kid doesn't want to buy a new cube, let's just change the regulations, that'll be easier."

 

[cubernya]

Meep gave a reason why they shouldn't be allowed, not the other way around