Just how fast can you get with the beginners method? I did an experiment to see.

[Areli Gómez]

I use Roux and I am sub 15. I average 12 seconds per solve and my turning speed is about 5 tps. I decided to put this to the test. How fast can I get with beginners method? With the beginner’s method my solves are about 100 moves as opposed to about 60 moves that I average on Roux.

Theoretically my solve should be about 20 seconds. I had to stop and think a bit because it’s been so long since I used the beginners method. My Ao5 ended up being 23 seconds. Close enough

 

[JDAW6]

You know what’s the funny thing with beginners method you got 23 ao5 and my normal pb ao5 is 24.

 

[Areli Gómez]

You know what’s the funny thing with beginners method you got 23 ao5 and my normal pb ao5 is 24.

Nice bro, well I’m kinda rusty on the beginners method. Maybe time to change methods?

 

[unirox13]

Well done! I'm sub 25 with Roux and I still average about 45 with my beginners method.

 

[JDAW6]

Already too deep into cfop can’t change my method. I always wondering what roux was like tho.

 

[unirox13]

Already too deep into cfop can’t change my method. I always wondering what roux was like tho.

Give Roux a shot, maybe just for a weekend. Even just some of the intuitive block building might help with your F2L. Sometimes a new method can be a fun warm up solve, who knows, it might turn into your new main. It's intuitive, it's fun and if nothing else it can help you understand the puzzle better which is always a bonus.

 

[JDAW6]

Ok where do I start i kindle know to start with the 2 blocks and I do Coll and then I idk

 

[Mastermind2368]

I had a friend who used beginners for a long time. He got surprisingly fast, I can't remember exactly how fast but it was at least sub 20 average, and it might've been closer to 16 or so. If I remember right, he even got a sub 10 single with beginners.

 

[JDAW6]

I mean if you have 10 tps and it takes 70 - 80 moves it can be sub 10

 

[OldSwiss]

What beginner Method do you use?

Cross and LBL is similiar for most, and usually also the first oll step.
But there are big differences in the last layer.
I learned it with sune sune for OLL and then U-Perm and A-Perm for PLL.

If I teach it to beginners now, I show them to flip corners with R' D' R D to complete OLL and then T-Perm and U-Perm

Others use sune for Edge PLL and flip then.
I guess there are many more beginner methods

 

[JDAW6]

I just watched jperm’s video anyway I use cfop now.

 

[Areli Gómez]

I just watched jperm’s video anyway I use cfop now.

Ahh ok, I thought you meant with the beginners method.

 

[Areli Gómez]

What beginner Method do you use?

Cross and LBL is similiar for most, and usually also the first oll step.
But there are big differences in the last layer.
I learned it with sune sune for OLL and then U-Perm and A-Perm for PLL.

If I teach it to beginners now, I show them to flip corners with R' D' R D to complete OLL and then T-Perm and U-Perm

Others use sune for Edge PLL and flip then.
I guess there are many more beginner methods

I use LBL, then for LL, this is how I teach beginners. Permute the cross edges with a sune and an AUF, then use an algorithm to permute the corners, then orient using R’ D’ R D.

 

[Kami]

I had a friend who used beginners for a long time. He got surprisingly fast, I can't remember exactly how fast but it was at least sub 20 average, and it might've been closer to 16 or so. If I remember right, he even got a sub 10 single with beginners.

im kinda like that. i use beginners but i use int f2l as well. i got to sub 20 then proceeded to not touch my cube for a year, and now im getting back in to it with a new cube (tornado v3)

 

[abunickabhi]

Did you try Beginner's Roux or Beginner's CFOP (LBL)?

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

Did you try Beginner's Roux or Beginner's CFOP (LBL)?

Many people think the beginners method presented by J Perm is the 'official' beginners method, so whenever I hear someone talk about the beginners method I just assume that's what they mean

 

[abunickabhi]

Oh I see, makes sense, U' R' E R2 D' R' E' R D R' U!

 

[SpedCube]

I've never really timed, but I average 18 seconds with cfop, and I can get like mid to high 20's on beginners method (I think I do whatever Jperm showed in his beginners method video)