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Introduce my new speedmethod - Tiến's method (ECDU method)

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avg of 12: 31.21

Time List:
1. 34.95 L2 R2 U2 B2 D B2 U D L2 R' D2 R F2 B2 D F2 B' D2 R L2 D L' F L2 U2
2. 32.68 D2 L R F R' B' F D' L R' B' R B2 U2 L' D' F' B2 R2 U F2 R2 L D L
3. 35.29 F U2 D B2 F' U2 F L U2 B D B' U2 B' D B' U B L2 R2 B2 D2 R D' F
4. 28.77 L F2 B2 R L' F R2 B' L2 D2 L F2 L' D' F L2 R2 B2 R U L' B' R B2 L2
5. (22.24) R' D2 F' B2 L' U B L' D2 B U F U2 D R' U D F2 D2 R2 D2 F U F' R2
6. 26.93 L U R' B2 R2 B' U D F R L F2 R2 B2 U2 D' F U' L2 U R B2 R' F' B2
7. 33.61 B F D U2 F2 D2 F' R' L F' U' B2 D2 U' L' U L D F2 D R' U2 B' L D'
8. 24.82 L' D2 U F' B D2 U' F D F B R2 L B2 D F L2 F B R2 B2 L' R' F' U2
9. 31.82 B' L F B2 U' R' B2 D2 U F2 U' F L2 R' F' D U2 B' F L B D' L2 D' B'
10. (44.94) U B U B R B2 R2 B2 F L2 B' R2 L B' L' D' L F2 U' R B R D' U L
11. 27.73 B L U2 F U R L2 B2 D' B F D2 L B2 R F D' F' D F2 L2 R' U' R2 U2
12. 35.56 D2 B D' B U2 B2 L D B' F2 U2 B' R' F2 U' R L F' D L D F' B' R' U2

All full step and a few fails

F2 R2 D' B' D' F R D' R L' F' U2 B D' U L2 F2 R B2 L B' R' F' B L

D2 U R2 B D' F' D F
y' L2 F R U R' U' R U R' U' F'
x2 R U R' U R U2 R'
U' L2 U R2 U R2 U' R2
x2 y' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F'
U' y M' D' M
R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 U2
x2 y' U M' U2 M
U2 R U R' U' M' U R U' R'
AUF

I don't see this becoming a speed method
 
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R2 U2 F' R' D2 B' L U' L F' L' F' D F2 R B' U2 R2 D' B' R2 F U' F U

R D' U L' U2 F'
U R D' R D R F' M' U R' U' r' F R
R2 U R2 U' R2
x2 U M' U' M2 U2 M' D' U2
M' U2 M
U' R U R' U' M' U R U' r'
y' M2 U M U2 M' U M2

Another approach to the corners (orient all first then permute)
Yay, this sound cool.
p.s: haha I've just got 17.26 with Down Edge skip (scramble only:U D' L' D2 R2 F L U' R L' B2 U D2 F2 D' R2 D2 L2 F2 R2 B2)

I don't see this becoming a speed method
Perhaps you may need more practice with my method and use the inspection-time to plan your equator and may be lookahead for step 2a.

Yes thank Username a lot! Now the ECDU method sound that it has another efficient way to do step 2 that 2a: chasing all corners to the right face and then orient them, 2b: just pemute the corner.
This way you will spent more few move but you avoid all parity that could happen! Very cool!
 
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Let him think what he wants to think.

GaDiBo - congratulations! You have created this brand new method that has lots of potential for speed! I bet we see lots of the top cubers switching to this once people have found good algorithms for it for you. Also you should ignore the experienced cubers disagreeing with you because they obviously don't know what they're talking about.
 
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But it isn't unique, it's been invented and proposed numerous times by many different people.
It's doesn't matter. My method was called ECDU any way.

p.s: for Moderator sorry about muti post, I'll care about this but please help me to merge if it not right, thank you alot.

Thank Username a lot to found a better way for step 2a, will avoid any kind of parity. For now, ECDU method will like this:

Step 1: Equator.
Step 2: Corners.
--2a: Chasing and Orient Corners.
--2b: Permute each Down and Up Corners Group.
Step 3: Down Edges.
Step 4: Up Edges.

Thank Kirjava to give me the encourage
Thanks all to give me all tips, I will develope my method for all

@Kirjava: "you forgot about edge parity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" : please give me more information about edge parity, I never face that before, all solve of mine just finish by ELL. Visit the ELL printable page of Kungfoomanchu: http://www.kungfoomanchu.com/guides/ell.pdf

A resource of algs needed for my method, COLL/ELL printable page of Kungfoomanchu:
COLL: http://www.kungfoomanchu.com/guides/coll.pdf
ELL: http://www.kungfoomanchu.com/guides/ell.pdf
I think the most difficult of ECDU method is Step 2a, at this, if you have few experience then you will feel comfortable with this, if not, I think it's a quite hard for ECDU's beginner. By the way, all Step of Tiến's method is totally intuitive except Step 2b and Step 4 with a set of COLL/ELL algs I belive entire my method with practice will possible to speedsolving.
 
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This is not a regular belt method. So anybody who dismisses this as "another belt method" is misled. The only similarity is that the E layer is solved first.

This rest of this method has vastly more similarities to PCMS.

Good idea GaDiBo, keep working on it!
 

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This is not a regular belt method. So anybody who dismisses this as "another belt method" is misled. The only similarity is that the E layer is solved first.
No. No no no no no. This is basically like any other belt method. There is seperation involved. The main difference is that instead of doing orientation then permutation like most, this just does corners then edges which isn't unique.

This rest of this method has vastly more similarities to PCMS.
No. The start is completely different and the edges are solved completely differently. The only similarity is that these is a CLL step. There are many methods with a CLL step.
 

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Thank Username a lot to found a better way for step 2a, will avoid any kind of parity. For now, ECDU method will like this:

Step 1: Equator.
Step 2: Corners.
--2a: Chasing and Orient Corners.
--2b: Permute each Down and Up Corners Group.
Step 3: Down Edges.
Step 4: Up Edges.
No no no, that should be "ECDU-Username"

You cannot just leave out a co-inventor!
 
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Please note that ECDU in general is just the name of each Step.

And Tiến's method will become Tiến-Jokinen's method :p

p.s: thank mDiPalma for the encourage.
 
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No. No no no no no. This is basically like any other belt method. There is seperation involved. The main difference is that instead of doing orientation then permutation like most, this just does corners then edges which isn't unique.
Ok then please link me to a previously posted thread that proposes E-layer, separation, corners on D, corners on U, edges on D, edges on U.

No. The start is completely different and the edges are solved completely differently. The only similarity is that these is a CLL step. There are many methods with a CLL step.
After E-layer+separation+D layer corners you are in the exact same position as if you did pairs+centers in PCMS.

The similarities include CLL, solving D layer edges, ELL.

If you can't see that, I don't even.
 
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Ok so What I'm doing in step 2 is orienting everything first using OCLL or something, doing kinda guimondish finish to solve corners. I'm currently trying to find a good way to separate and permute corners at the same time...
 

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Ok then please link me to a previously posted thread that proposes E-layer, separation, corners on D, corners on U, edges on D, edges on U.
Oh no, this *exact* method hasn't been proposed before.

It's a minor variation of the many other belt methods. You solve the belt. It's a belt method.

After E-layer+separation+D layer corners you are in the exact same position as if you did pairs+centers in PCMS.
Then the continuation is different. This belt method and PCMS are about as similar as Petrus and ZZ.

The similarities include CLL, solving D layer edges, ELL.
PCMS does not do D layer edges then ELL, so the similarities are CLL alone. Like I said.

You seem to honestly think that this is closer to PCMS than other belt methods. If this is what you believe, I cannot help you.
 
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