Interested in ZBLL? ZB masterclass at Nats 2015

ryanj92 said:
who cares? the fact that he's tamed and brought order to such a huge alg set is more impressive than sub-10/12 averages imo
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Well, if your goal is to use it for speed isn't that a fair point to make? Sure, you might want to learn ZBLL just to be cool and special, but it seems to me that Tran and Davidson learned ZBLL in order to get better results, which they doesn't seem to have gotten.
 
Isaac Lai said:
Wait I don't mean to insult 4Chan or anything but isn't an average of 15 seconds kinda slow for someone who knows full ZBLL?
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ZBLL's effect on overall averages is negligible because it doesn't save much time overall and most of solving time is just getting to the last layer. It helps a lot more in singles and smaller averages, because you are far more like to get lucky and you never having to doubt if you know a case. Also practicing a ton is important for recognition, which is something I don't think Chris Tran has time for right now.
 
Consider this: after taking quitting cubing for five years I've had to relearn a lot of things, and all of the things I've figured out are sort of recent.
I'm still working out some cases, and I'm not fluid in some sets yet. I'm still relearning finger tricks and I'm still bad at ZZ.

Wouldn't you say that 4-5 months of practise is too early to make a judgment call on an entire method?

Also, I actually practise quite a bit, and I actually don't think recognition is an issue for me so far.
Actually seeing the cases is simple, but due to a big shortcut I use, my recall is slower, because I have to figure out some cases on the fly.
 
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4Chan said:
Consider this: after taking quitting cubing for five years I've had to relearn a lot of things, and all of the things I've figured out are sort of recent.
I'm still working out some cases, and I'm not fluid in some sets yet. I'm still relearning finger tricks and I'm still bad at ZZ.

Wouldn't you say that 4-5 months of practise is too early to make a judgment call on an entire method?

Also, I actually practise quite a bit, and I actually don't think recognition is an issue for me so far.
Actually seeing the cases is simple, but due to a big shortcut I use, my recall is slower, because I have to figure out some cases on the fly.
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Hmmmm yeah I think I kind of overlooked the fact that you took such a long break. The fact that you managed to relearn all the algs in a month is impressive in itself.
 
Isaac Lai said:
Hmmmm yeah I think I kind of overlooked the fact that you took such a long break. The fact that you managed to relearn all the algs in a month is impressive in itself.
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Thank you! I'm really bad at this game, but I have faith in the method itself!

Rubiks560 said:
inb4 Chris Olson pls film.

Assuming I have time at nats, I'll try and do it.
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Hahahah, I'm doing this because of your suggestion LOL.


AlexMaass said:
I'll try to film this, what time will this be and how long? Not sure if my SD card will have enough space. :P
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I was expecting just a small group of roughly 10 people to show interest, so I was thinking those people could either post here or message when they're free, and we could all sit at a table! Probably Friday or Saturday evening!

Nathan Dwyer said:
Awesome, can't wait! i missed your ZBLL talk at Indiana, but heard from everyone that it was mind-blowing
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Ahhh, I was really honoured by everyone's response to my ideas! Indiana was great and you guys were awesome!
 
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4Chan said:
Also, I actually practise quite a bit, and I actually don't think recognition is an issue for me so far.
Actually seeing the cases is simple, but due to a big shortcut I use, my recall is slower, because I have to figure out some cases on the fly.
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People tend to (unknowingly or not) lump together recog and recall, which makes sense, since anytime you're not turning you're basically wasting time. I'm not saying that ZBLL is absolutely proven to not be worth the time investment, but I can kinda see a trend of the last decade.

I guess I am the "jerk" you mentioned on your blog because I joked about you being excited about something that's frankly quite obvious.

Also, this CTLS thing, isn't it just pseudo F2L?
 
I would go to the nationals just for this.
Also, it would be cool if someone could stream it live on twitch or youtube.
 
AlexMaass said:
Yeah I'm planning to film it. Hopefully 4Chan tells me where and when this will happen so I can film it.
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Here's an update then! The Cubicle has some venue space, and Phil has graciously offered it for us to gather and make this happen.
So after all the events are over, and after they've finished vending, let's meet up and discuss some techniques!
 
4Chan said:
Here's an update then! The Cubicle has some venue space, and Phil has graciously offered it for us to gather and make this happen.
So after all the events are over, and after they've finished vending, let's meet up and discuss some techniques!
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Wait I can't film it then, my flight leaves near when the competition ends. Could you do it earlier, like maybe after the events for day 1 and 2 end?
 
Yeah, of course! I'll be there for all the days, as well as Wednesday night and Thursday.

Whatever works for the most amount of people!
 
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