Hi I'm new to the forums and somewhat new to speedcubing :)

[Gamermatt]

Hey guys!

My name is Matt and I'm 17 years old, from California. I started cubing in 7th grade, and stopped after 8th grade. I learned the normal layer-by-layer method, which only includes like 10 or so alg's. Now, I have started cubing again, and I remember everything I knew back in 8th grade. I can average at about 50-60 sec (40 sec best) on the 3x3x3, which is horrible.. i know.. because I use the layer by layer method xD

anyway, I've bought some lube, cubesmith stickers, a few 3x3 cubes with good reviews (Edison, TaiYan II, Type C II), as well as a 2x2 LL cube... and i'm ready to learn a new fast method of solving the cube. I've looked into the Roux and fridrich methods... and I still haven't decided which one I should learn...

Do you guys have any tips for me or any methods/alg's that you think I should learn first?

Thanks

 

[Edmund]

Fridrich is where you'll be able to get the most help due to the huge number of users it has. It is also what the fastest of the fast use but that could change. As for 2x2 I suggest learning Ortega for starters.

Welcome to the forums!

 

[Gamermatt]

Fridrich is where you'll be able to get the most help due to the huge number of users it has. It is also what the fastest of the fast use but that could change. As for 2x2 I suggest learning Ortega for starters.

Welcome to the forums!

Thanks Edmund! Sounds good....

Also, do you know which method - Fridrich or Roux - requires more alg's to learn?

 

[Edward]

Fridrich is where you'll be able to get the most help due to the huge number of users it has. It is also what the fastest of the fast use but that could change. As for 2x2 I suggest learning Ortega for starters.

Welcome to the forums!

Thanks Edmund! Sounds good....

Also, do you know which method - Fridrich or Roux - requires more alg's to learn?

Fridrich...

Welcome to the forums .

 

[Gamermatt]

WOAH.... Fridrich requires 120 alg's!!!?? and Roux 40!? jeez... i might go with Roux, idk if I have the time/dedication to learn 120... >.<

 

[Edward]

WOAH.... Fridrich requires 120 alg's!!!?? and Roux 40!? jeez... i might go with Roux, idk if I have the time/dedication to learn 120... >.<

Intuitive F2L shortens it to 78 algs . And only using 2 look OLL (still very fast) makes it 28 algs .


If I'm mistaken someone correct me PLEASE.

 

[Cyrus C.]

You don't have to learn all 120 (isn't it more like 75?), you can use only around 15 & do 2-look solves, you can learn more about this in the wiki..

 

[AndyRoo789]

Welcome, Matt

 

[waffle=ijm]

hi there!

I'm one of the few Roux solvers around here. But even if we are lacking in number, we are willing to help out!

welcome

 

[Gamermatt]

WOAH.... Fridrich requires 120 alg's!!!?? and Roux 40!? jeez... i might go with Roux, idk if I have the time/dedication to learn 120... >.<

Intuitive F2L shortens it to 78 algs . And only using 2 look OLL (still very fast) makes it 28 algs .


If I'm mistaken someone correct me PLEASE.

hehe 28 sounds more like it ^^

You don't have to learn all 120 (isn't it more like 75?), you can use only around 15 & do 2-look solves, you can learn more about this in the wiki..

that link doesnt seem to work... but 15 alg's wud be sweet... how fast can one solve it with only knowing these 15 alg's?

Welcome, Matt

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hi there!

I'm one of the few Roux solvers around here. But even if we are lacking in number, we are willing to help out!

welcome

hey waffle, ive seen you around... and ya the Roux method does look pretty promising haha

 

[Edmund]

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Also, do you know which method - Fridrich or Roux - requires more alg's to learn?

I use about 40 algs (21 plls and i know 7 2l olls and a few others and i know a few f2l algs) and i average 16 seconds.

 

[nlCuber22]

that link doesnt seem to work... but 15 alg's wud be sweet... how fast can one solve it with only knowing these 15 alg's?

If you work hard, using a 4 Look Last Layer (2 Look solves) you could average about 25-26 seconds or maybe even less. However, once you get to sub 30 it is recommended that you learn Full PLL (causing you to still have to know only about 28 algorithms) which should speed you up by a few seconds, if you are good at recognizing and executing the cases (doesn't take much practice).

Another big roadblock that people hit is their F2L. What you will need to work on after starting to use F2L is your lookahead (no pauses while solving F2L, continuous flow of moving) which will make your F2L a lot faster, even if you have to turn slow to do so. With good F2L (~10 seconds) and Full PLL, you should be able to maintain sub 20 averages, even with using 2 Look OLL.
Note that this will not come easy and will take months of practice.

This is all assuming that you will choose Fridrich as your solving method

 

[LewisJ]

The first five hardly count but here are the fridrich based algs I knew when I was slightly over 30...now I know most of PLL and am transitioning to full F2L to get faster

Intuitive cross
Corners (3):
RUR'
RU'R'
RU2R'U'RUR'
Keyhole edges (2):
RU'R'
F'U'F
Final edges (2):
RU'R' - U' - F'UF
F'UF - U - RU'R'
OLL edges (2):
F URU'R' F'
F RUR'U' F'
OLL corners (7):
R U R' U R U2 R'
R U2' R' U' R U' R'
R U R' U R U' R' U R U2 R'
R U2 R2' U' R2 U' R2' U2 R
R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R
r U R' U' r' F R F'
F' r U R' U' r' F R
PLL (6):
Aa
Ab
F
Ua
Ub
H

Add more PLLs and F2Ls and itll only get better...you can definitely start small with fridrich and learn the daunting 100+ algs over time

 

[chris410]

Make sure and search your questions and also look over the speedcubing questions forum. There is a lot of very good information available via search in addition to the speedcubing questions forum.

Hope this helps!

 

[Gamermatt]

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Also, do you know which method - Fridrich or Roux - requires more alg's to learn?

I use about 40 algs (21 plls and i know 7 2l olls and a few others and i know a few f2l algs) and i average 16 seconds.

wow thats a fast average!

but ya, thanks for all the help guys. i'll start out with the basic alg's and work my way up from there then. i can't wait, i've never gotten in low 40s/30s and I would be very happy to get that time soon

 

[Tomk]

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Also, do you know which method - Fridrich or Roux - requires more alg's to learn?

I use about 40 algs (21 plls and i know 7 2l olls and a few others and i know a few f2l algs) and i average 16 seconds.

Damn, I know about 50 and average 30 seconds, I blame my slow fingers