Girl throw puppies in a river and film herself

[Dene]

Not a good week for animals really.

* 45,895,000,000 (45.9 billion) chickens
* 2,262,000,000 (2.3 billion) ducks
* 1,244,000,000 (1.2 billion) pigs
* 857,000,000 (857 million) rabbits
* 691,000,000 (691 million) turkeys
* 533,000,000 (533 million) geese
* 515,000,000 (515 million) sheep
* 345,000,000 (345 million) goats
* 292,000,000 (292 million) cows and calves (for beef and veal)
* 65,000,000 (65 million) other rodents (not including rabbits)
* 63,000,000 (63 million) pigeons and other birds
* 23,000,000 (23 million) buffaloes
* 4,000,000 (4 million) horses
* 3,000,000 (3 million) donkeys and mules
* 2,000,000 (2 million) camels (and other camelids)

TOTAL: 52,794,000,000
United States: 9,116,248,000

The numbers only include land animals slaughtered for food for which records were taken. They do not include the billions of marine animal killed each year. They do not include the millions of animals killed in laboratories, fur farms, animal shelters, zoos, marine parks, or circuses. Nor do they include the animals killed by human negligence, blood sports, abuse, or extermination attempts.



+1 cat and 5 puppies.


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And what about the billions of plans killed every day? All the wheat, corn, vegetables, fruit, and so on. Do they not have any rights either? Talk about a hypocrite. Take a leaf out of Korn's book and take a look in the mirror.

 

[Johan444]

It really baffles me how people get so upset about this.

Double standards and hypocrisy...but I guess ignorance prevents people from seeing that.

My point exactly.

If reality is too harsch, put on some MTV, go to McDonalds and become religious.

 

[F.P.]

And what about the billions of plans killed every day? All the wheat, corn, vegetables, fruit, and so on. Do they not have any rights either? Talk about a hypocrite. Take a leaf out of Korn's book and take a look in the mirror.

Are plants sentient beings?
Let's suppose they are, what kind of selective advantage would plants have because of that?

And then again, let's suppose plants are sentient beings; then it would be even more necessary to not consume any animal products. Why? For example, in the US over 80% of the corn harvest is fed to farm animals.

And you know that we only eat the already dead part of the wheat, right?
And that for fruits, being consumed is a way of reproduction, right?


Regardless of all that...the majority of the plant harvest is fed/produced to/for farm animals anyway. So, what's your point?

 

[Anonymous]

It really baffles me how people get so upset about this.

Double standards and hypocrisy...but I guess ignorance prevents people from seeing that.

My point exactly.

If reality is too harsch, put on some MTV, go to McDonalds and become religious.

If you want to avoid that hypocrisy, you could be a vegetarian.

Will post response to Dene soon...

 

[Johan444]

It really baffles me how people get so upset about this.

Double standards and hypocrisy...but I guess ignorance prevents people from seeing that.

My point exactly.

If reality is too harsch, put on some MTV, go to McDonalds and become religious.

If you want to avoid that hypocrisy, you could be a vegetarian.

Correct, this is what I told the angry mob a few pages back. But I guess their burgers are too good.

 

[Sakarie]

My guess is that this very young girl is not fully mentally capable. To track her down and expose would perhaps ruin parts of her life. I can't see how any one would support that?

 

[Dene]

Are plants sentient beings?
Let's suppose they are, what kind of selective advantage would plants have because of that?

See earlier in this thread for a discussion between myself and another forum member over the topic of "sentience". What does selective advantage have to do with the morality of killing animals? (Seeing as this is the topic under scrutiny).

And then again, let's suppose plants are sentient beings; then it would be even more necessary to not consume any animal products. Why? For example, in the US over 80% of the corn harvest is fed to farm animals.

For this we must assume that it is indeed wrong to kill animals (and plants); or at least to do so to a minimum. I completely disagree with this (obviously).

And you know that we only eat the already dead part of the wheat, right?

Sure, after it has been killed by us.

And that for fruits, being consumed is a way of reproduction, right?

Perhaps it is, but by picking fruit off trees we are murdering them. After they have fallen off trees and they are already dead then I can see no inconsistency with eating them in this case. But then you must concede that it is ok to eat meat after animals have died a natural death. I'm not sure whether you want to concede this or not, but regardless it is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

So, what's your point?

Basically, my point is that until you can find some fundamental aspect of animals that morally separates them from plants such that it is ok to slaughter as many plants as we want, but not to mistreat (at least some) animals (I suspect you might exclude animals such as ants or something), your views are inconsistent and hypocritical.

 

[F.P.]

What does selective advantage have to do with the morality of killing animals? (Seeing as this is the topic under scrutiny).

I mentioned that because I thought you were trying to say that you believe that plants can actually feel pain (and therefore it would be wrong to kill them).

And then again, let's suppose plants are sentient beings; then it would be even more necessary to not consume any animal products. Why? For example, in the US over 80% of the corn harvest is fed to farm animals.

For this we must assume that it is indeed wrong to kill animals (and plants); or at least to do so to a minimum. I completely disagree with this (obviously).

Of course; someone getting upset about this girl killing 5 puppies should also be upset about billions of other non-human animals being killed every year though.

If you aren't one of the "kill her, it's awful what she did to that poor puppies"-guys, then my original post isn't directed to you anyway.

And you know that we only eat the already dead part of the wheat, right?

Sure, after it has been killed by us.

No; same goes with fungi by the way.

Perhaps it is, but by picking fruit off trees we are murdering them. After they have fallen off trees and they are already dead then I can see no inconsistency with eating them in this case. But then you must concede that it is ok to eat meat after animals have died a natural death. I'm not sure whether you want to concede this or not, but regardless it is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Yes, of course it is ok to eat non-human animals who died a natural death.

And I wrote "[...] that for fruits, being consumed is a way of reproduction" because one could interpret this as "they want to be consumed".

So, what's your point?

Basically, my point is that until you can find some fundamental aspect of animals that morally separates them from plants such that it is ok to slaughter as many plants as we want, but not to mistreat (at least some) animals (I suspect you might exclude animals such as ants or something), your views are inconsistent and hypocritical.

You can give the answer to yourself by trying to find out, what "morally separates" human animals from non-human animals.

Most likely this will end up with you being ok with mentally retarded people, small children up to a certain age and, of course, babies being killed.

 

[IamWEB]

Certain animals are killed in mass numbers for human consumption all the time. We aren't the ones doing the killing, watching the killing happen, or thinking of the killing when we go in a restaurant to get something to eat. That would obviously makes people feel less guilty in at all about it.
This however, is animal abuse with what seems to be no real purpose, and they (lady with the cat and the girl throwing the puppies) seem to like doing so or find it funny...

Not trying to create some statement for a debate, I just wanted to share a thought (and without perfecting it so much that there aren't any flaws you can easily point out). I'm not gonna debate it like a lot of what this thread has been, I'll leave that to Deneyface.

Yeah.

 

[F.P.]

Certain animals are killed in mass numbers for human consumption all the time. We aren't the ones doing the killing, watching the killing happen, or thinking of the killing when we go in a restaurant to get something to eat.

Well, whenever you consume a product, you are supporting it's production and you choose what you consume and you know that chicken breast doesn't fall from the sky. You order that animals get killed and you support the way it is done and the whole system.

This however, is animal abuse with what seems to be no real purpose, and they (lady with the cat and the girl throwing the puppies) seem to like doing so or find it funny...

You are eating other animals simply because you like the taste of it, not because you need to do it. That's about the same "real purpose" as someone watching snuff movies...entertainment.

And for the victim it doesn't really matter for what reason it was killed/tortured/exploited anyway.

 

[Novriil]

I remember a few weeks ago in our cooking show (ordinary people cook and then other people rate it and so on) there was somebody who had a rabbit-farm and he/she decided to make something from a rabbit and they broadcasted the killing of the rabbit before he/she/it was cooked.

After a big discussion some psychiatrist said that to young children are better to watch people-killing-movie (Rambo?) than animal killing video. That's because the people getting killed are bad mostly but animals are innocent and they are being killed for not doing anything wrong.

Of course where does bacon come from. Tons of animals are being killed for food but the problem was mostly because they broadcasted it in national TV.

 

[shelley]

And that for fruits, being consumed is a way of reproduction, right?

Perhaps it is, but by picking fruit off trees we are murdering them. After they have fallen off trees and they are already dead then I can see no inconsistency with eating them in this case. But then you must concede that it is ok to eat meat after animals have died a natural death. I'm not sure whether you want to concede this or not, but regardless it is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Well, most fruits (certainly the ones we eat) were evolved to be eaten by other animals so that the seed can be spread. An apple tree seems to be fine even though its fruits are picked off year after year.

But pulling up a plant and eating its roots would probably count as "murdering" it.

Still, unless you're a plant and can get energy from the sun directly, obtaining nutrients is usually going to involve killing another organism.

 

[qqwref]

Not a good week for animals really.

* 45,895,000,000 (45.9 billion) chickens
* 2,262,000,000 (2.3 billion) ducks
* 1,244,000,000 (1.2 billion) pigs
[... BLAH BLAH ...]
+1 cat and 5 puppies.

Excuse me, can you please divide by 52 for me? We're talking about a WEEK here. Unless you believe that meat/egg production has been scaled up about 52 times since 2007 (the year your data is from anyway).

Anyway, the cat was fine

And that for fruits, being consumed is a way of reproduction, right?

Perhaps it is, but by picking fruit off trees we are murdering them. After they have fallen off trees and they are already dead then I can see no inconsistency with eating them in this case.

Nope, I cannot agree with this even in theory. First off, fruits are not organisms by themselves, which means nothing is killed if you take a fruit. Second, fruit is an extremely energetically costly thing for a plant to make, and the *only* benefit it provides to the plant's entire species is to help spread seeds. It does not help photosynthesis, aid reproduction, fend off predators/insects, or anything else like that. Similarly there is no reason for fruit to be full of water and sugars (again, costly things for a plant to manufacture!) - except that the point of fruits is that they will be eaten and that by that mechanism animals will spread the seeds. The only and obvious conclusion is that the fruits are as tasty (i.e. containing many sugars and no toxins) as they are because they are supposed to get eaten. Your statement is as silly as saying that when a barber cuts someone's hair he is murdering it.

 

[flan]

I'm no expert but there is simply no denying pigs and cows are intelligent and they suffer in the food production industry. I dont care if one day we find out plants suffer. I don't think we will and even if we do it doesnt make me a bad person for only being vegetarian and not fruitarian.

 

[jms_gears1]

I'm no expert but there is simply no denying pigs and cows are intelligent and they suffer in the food production industry. I dont care if one day we find out plants suffer. I don't think we will and even if we do it doesnt make me a bad person for only being vegetarian and not fruitarian.

Actually cows are pretty retarded.

 

[nitrocan]

The only moral thing we can do is follow the path of Prahlad Jani and not eat anything at all.

 

[BluePi1313]

I really hope it's fake, cuz those puppies are soo cute!!!!! unfortunately, it's not.

 

[flan]

I'm no expert but there is simply no denying pigs and cows are intelligent and they suffer in the food production industry. I dont care if one day we find out plants suffer. I don't think we will and even if we do it doesnt make me a bad person for only being vegetarian and not fruitarian.

Actually cows are pretty retarded.

I admit they arnt the sharpest tools in the shed but they still suffer. Here in the uk farming laws state that you cant slaughter a cow infront of other cows because it distressess them. They have to be taken into a separate room and killed.

 

[Kirjava]

I really hope it's fake, cuz those puppies are soo cute!!!!! unfortunately, it's not.

Yah it's a shame they weren't ugly.

 

[BluePi1313]

here's a new link: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/7953837/dog-killed-in-backyard-stabbing
Why are people so cruel to these animals? There's another sad and gross thing, about some people eating dogs and stuff. But Idk why, these news are just more horrifying than human eating dogs.

Speaking of animals, I found a frog on my air conditioner... which was weird, since my room is 2 stories up. I woke up in the morning, and it's gone... I just hope it's safe, it was soo tiny! probably 1 inch.