Fort Lee Winter 2009 (NJ)

[Tyson]

6x6 and 7x7 now official! YAY! I am now definitely going to practice them more. BTW, what will the cutoffs probably be for advancing 1 round?

It should be like 3:30 for 6x6 and 5:30 for 7x7.

3:30 for 6x6? Why not 4:05?

 

[PatrickJameson]

6x6 and 7x7 now official! YAY! I am now definitely going to practice them more. BTW, what will the cutoffs probably be for advancing 1 round?

It should be like 3:30 for 6x6 and 5:30 for 7x7.

3:30 for 6x6? Why not 4:05?

I just posted times that I should be able to beat by Fort Lee

 

[DavidWoner]

O yeah. I'm coming to this one now. yay.

 

[ExoCorsair]

I hope the bigger cubes get cut due to time restraints. >.>

 

[DavidWoner]

I hope the bigger cubes get cut due to time restraints. >.>

There are like 12 people registered, what time constraints do you forsee?

edit: 20 people

 

[ExoCorsair]

I hope the bigger cubes get cut due to time restraints. >.>

There are like 12 people registered, what time constraints do you forsee?

It's not going to happen, since those events are scheduled to happen during registration.

If anything, 5x5x5 is going to get cut. -.-;;

But I'd much rather see the 6x6 and 7x7 get cut... they're side events in any case.

 

[DavidWoner]

I hope the bigger cubes get cut due to time restraints. >.>

There are like 12 people registered, what time constraints do you forsee?

It's not going to happen, since those events are scheduled to happen during registration.

If anything, 5x5x5 is going to get cut. -.-;;

But I'd much rather see the 6x6 and 7x7 get cut... they're side events in any case.

Well he has an hour scheduled for registration, we'll have to see how many people end up registering. Maybe they will get moved to the end if there is time. I really dont see 5x5 getting canceled. Dan almost killed Ethan when it was canceled at West Chester, I think Kegham is smart enough to keep it.

 

[masterofthebass]

But I'd much rather see the 6x6 and 7x7 get cut... they're side events in any case.

Time limits my friend... time limits.

 

[Kian]

I hope the bigger cubes get cut due to time restraints. >.>

There are like 12 people registered, what time constraints do you forsee?

edit: 20 people

yeah i keep hoping it's going to stay small so we can get everything in but given the proximity to a tournament that just had over 90 people, I'm not holding my breath. should be smaller but I have no idea how much smaller. maybe having drexel the next week will help control the numbers.

 

[BillB]

<Time limits my friend... time limits.>

Time limits are a workable solution, but I'd like to see the first attempt count as a complete solve, even if you don't get to continue through a combined final, instead of it being a DNF.

Bill

 

[ExoCorsair]

But I'd much rather see the 6x6 and 7x7 get cut... they're side events in any case.

Time limits my friend... time limits.

Yeah, sub-5 for both; any solve over automatically counts as DNF, I hope.

<Time limits my friend... time limits.>

Time limits are a workable solution, but I'd like to see the first attempt count as a complete solve, even if you don't get to continue through a combined final, instead of it being a DNF.

Bill

Yeah... having one person take up 10+minutes at a timer is great for time, especially given only an hour for these events. *facepalm*

 

[Mike Hughey]

But I'd much rather see the 6x6 and 7x7 get cut... they're side events in any case.

Time limits my friend... time limits.

Yeah, sub-5 for both; any solve over automatically counts as DNF, I hope.

<Time limits my friend... time limits.>

Time limits are a workable solution, but I'd like to see the first attempt count as a complete solve, even if you don't get to continue through a combined final, instead of it being a DNF.

Bill

Yeah... having one person take up 10+minutes at a timer is great for time, especially given only an hour for these events. *facepalm*

I don't see why it would hurt so much to give a 10 minute time limit, instead of 5, but then have the combined final such that you're not allowed to do a second solve unless your first one was under something like 4 minutes. I think that would have been a much more reasonable way to go at Newark, and I fail to see why it would have hurt so much. You don't cost any extra scramble time, you don't have any extra time between solves (the 10 minute people still only get a single solve), and for the V-cubes, there are few enough people owning them currently that odds are everyone will be able to solve simultaneously - you probably have enough timers for everyone to go at once. So theoretically it should only cost an extra 5 minutes to do this, and then anyone who can solve in under 10 minutes can at least have one official solve. Can't you spare an extra 5 minutes for this?

And I figure with really big cubes, you should go with 2 sets of scrambles, and make everyone who solves scramble someone else's cube. So scrambling shouldn't be a problem either.

 

[ExoCorsair]

Mike, the problem I see is that they're trying to do both 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 in addition to magics. If it were only one big big cube event, I don't see any problem at all.

Edit: But I guess it ultimately depends on how many timers there are.

 

[Bryan]

You don't cost any extra scramble time, you don't have any extra time between solves (the 10 minute people still only get a single solve), and for the V-cubes, there are few enough people owning them currently that odds are everyone will be able to solve simultaneously - you probably have enough timers for everyone to go at once. So theoretically it should only cost an extra 5 minutes to do this, and then anyone who can solve in under 10 minutes can at least have one official solve. Can't you spare an extra 5 minutes for this?

But if you don't have a hard limit, you do spend extra time scrambling. Even when you have a hard limit of 4:00, you get those people who have never solved below 6:00 wanting a shot. The people who don't get below 12:00 will probably least realize they shouldn't bother when the limit is 4:00. But if you have the limit as 10:00, then you start getting those people who do a 12:00 who think that maybe, just maybe, today will be the day. And as for timers, at Newark, 6x6x6 was held at the same time as BLD (with the requirement you couldn't compete in both). So the timers were in use.

While I hate to limit people, at some point it does become necessary because on something like the 4x4x4, you'll get people that will take 8 minutes to solve, and that's with them not knowing the parity algorithms. Or if you're taking 7 minutes on OH.

 

[masterofthebass]

Again, this raises the issue of where our "sport" is going. Realistically, we are heading towards a competitive society, not just a "o look, let's let everyone solve!" Imposing a limit requires people to practice in order to compete. This gives an incentive to people to practice enough in order to compete in an event. Personally, you shouldn't be competing in every event, unless you put enough time to actually get a respectable time in it. I think something more like a 6:00 limit for 6x6 is somewhat reasonable. That's 2x the world record mean at this point. As more and more events become competitive, we should really look at things realistically. In order to compete, practice enough to be competitive. I think anyone can get under 6:00 for 6x6 if they actually practiced enough (I probably practice too much, but that's because I want to be where I am).

 

[Mike Hughey]

You don't cost any extra scramble time, you don't have any extra time between solves (the 10 minute people still only get a single solve), and for the V-cubes, there are few enough people owning them currently that odds are everyone will be able to solve simultaneously - you probably have enough timers for everyone to go at once. So theoretically it should only cost an extra 5 minutes to do this, and then anyone who can solve in under 10 minutes can at least have one official solve. Can't you spare an extra 5 minutes for this?

But if you don't have a hard limit, you do spend extra time scrambling. Even when you have a hard limit of 4:00, you get those people who have never solved below 6:00 wanting a shot. The people who don't get below 12:00 will probably least realize they shouldn't bother when the limit is 4:00. But if you have the limit as 10:00, then you start getting those people who do a 12:00 who think that maybe, just maybe, today will be the day. And as for timers, at Newark, 6x6x6 was held at the same time as BLD (with the requirement you couldn't compete in both). So the timers were in use.

While I hate to limit people, at some point it does become necessary because on something like the 4x4x4, you'll get people that will take 8 minutes to solve, and that's with them not knowing the parity algorithms. Or if you're taking 7 minutes on OH.

I guess right after I typed my comment, I realized that what you're saying is the real reason why this doesn't work. So I concede, and admit you're right. I agree with you now. It's sad, but unavoidable, I guess.

 

[BillB]

I think it's great that this sport is growing so fast that there's a problem of too many competitors given the time constraints. I see your point, Dan, and agree with you that there should be an incentive to get faster. Hopefully it won't discourage new people from coming out to a comp. Maybe we'll get to a point where there's different divisions. Has that been discussed?

Bill

 

[Kian]

I think it's great that this sport is growing so fast that there's a problem of too many competitors given the time constraints. I see your point, Dan, and agree with you that there should be an incentive to get faster. Hopefully it won't discourage new people from coming out to a comp. Maybe we'll get to a point where there's different divisions. Has that been discussed?

Bill

tiered competitions do seem inevitable. not sure when or the logistics but if this exponential growth continues I don't see a way around it. especially in places with a lot of cubers (eg. the Northeast US).

 

[Bob]

tiered competitions do seem inevitable. not sure when or the logistics but if this exponential growth continues I don't see a way around it. especially in places with a lot of cubers (eg. the Northeast US).

which is nothing compared to the bay area

 

[hippofluff]

Will anyone going to this competition have a mefferts pyraminx they would be willing to sell