first two layers vs last layer

incessantcheese

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just did my first breakdown with OH (or any kind of breakdown, for that matter) and WOW my last layer is way worse than i realized.

average of twelve came out to be 22.27, which is definitely one of my better averages of 12. i guess focusing on the breakdowns helped me cube without worrying about the average.

this is cross + f2l vs oll + pll.

avg: 13.55 8.91 22.46
1 11.79 9.59 21.38 x
2 14.64 11.67 26.31 x
3 10.72 10.26 20.98 x
4 16.23 6.79 23.02 x
5 13.07 7.53 20.60 x
6 13.84 8.70 22.54 x
7 13.11 10.26 23.37 x
8 14.70 10.00 24.70 x
9 14.67 9.08 23.75 x
10 12.62 7.94 20.56 x
11 13.79 7.44 21.23 x
12 13.46 7.63 21.09 x

the last layer times there look pretty terrible to me :fp... how do they look to you guys?
 
I'm a hardcore OH guy. I hope.

My f2l is a bit slower that other hardcore OH people but my LL is a bit faster because most of my PLLs are U perms. On average I think I have like a 4-5 second LL. Favorable COLLs give me like 3 second.
 
hmmm... if you have a 3-5 second last layer, the difference between you and me is almost entirely in the last layer. that can't be right!

maybe you should try doing a breakdown? i thought i was in the 6-7 range for last layer, but i turned out to be almost 9 in an average of 12.

if it is the case that you're usually 4-5 seconds no the last layer, i guess my pll and oll algs REALLY need some work?
 
11.93, 12.90, 12.92, 9.70, 9.37, 14.27, 12.68, 10.72, 12.02, 12.96, 12.59, 8.89 = 11.78 for f2l

2.42, 6.71, 4.84, 4.72, 3.11, 4.68, 4.26, 3.34, 3.17, 2.82, 4.27, 6.19 = 4.14 for ll

The 2.42 and the 3.11 were PLL skips. There were 8 U perms and 2 Z perms. The two 6s were bad COLL cases. The ll cases I got were generally favorable.



I have never used OLL in my entire life so I can't tell you how fast it should be or how fast it can be. Hopefully more people will comment. I think PLL should be under 2.5 if you are very well practiced.
 
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