TheNextFeliks
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So spend $10 or $150. That convinces me.
Don't Buy an 11x11, Here's Why
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So spend $10 or $150. That convinces me.
tx789
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Shengshou is likely to release a 11x11 before v-cubes. But who knows.
Hardly anyone one who speedcubes cares about knock offs if the good, better than the cube it said to be a KO of, the puzzle collectors on the another hand...
Hardly anyone one who speedcubes cares about knock offs if the good, better than the cube it said to be a KO of, the puzzle collectors on the another hand...
Ignoring the ridiculous number of knockoff-related threads BrandonSky has been making (did mods delete the one about x-cube where waffle posted a cat pic? can't seem to find it), I just wanted to comment on how the general sentiment towards KOs has changed around here.
Back when I stopped cubing (around the age of the WR going from Yu to Erik), and v-cubes had just come out, I remember that more people heavily opposed knockoffs and took a stance to support Verdes instead. Of course, I know the story behind this now (based from qqwref's post), and understand that people supported him for his innovation initially, but had to settle for KOs due to his lack of action, so this isn't really a question of some sort, just a rhetorical observation.
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Another aside, it's not as if Verdes is just sitting on his innovation and letting it rot away instead of using his mech design to create higher order cubes or whatnot. Judging by the other topic about V-cubes appearing in retail stores internationally (!), it seems he is just focusing his efforts on a completely different avenue. Which takes less personal effort I think (compared to designing and manufacturing higher order cubes), but for what seems to have a much higher return of income for his efforts. Can't really blame him for that.
As long as he settles himself with the "retail world", and doesn't concern himself with the "speedcubers niche" (which I think he has deemed less profitable) and attack companies like SS. I think we can live with him abandoning making new cubes, if he can live with us buying knockoffs instead.
Back when I stopped cubing (around the age of the WR going from Yu to Erik), and v-cubes had just come out, I remember that more people heavily opposed knockoffs and took a stance to support Verdes instead. Of course, I know the story behind this now (based from qqwref's post), and understand that people supported him for his innovation initially, but had to settle for KOs due to his lack of action, so this isn't really a question of some sort, just a rhetorical observation.
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Another aside, it's not as if Verdes is just sitting on his innovation and letting it rot away instead of using his mech design to create higher order cubes or whatnot. Judging by the other topic about V-cubes appearing in retail stores internationally (!), it seems he is just focusing his efforts on a completely different avenue. Which takes less personal effort I think (compared to designing and manufacturing higher order cubes), but for what seems to have a much higher return of income for his efforts. Can't really blame him for that.
As long as he settles himself with the "retail world", and doesn't concern himself with the "speedcubers niche" (which I think he has deemed less profitable) and attack companies like SS. I think we can live with him abandoning making new cubes, if he can live with us buying knockoffs instead.
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Luso
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How come yuxin 11x11 is a knock-off? if v-cubes dosen't have an 11x11..
I'd say, don't buy v-cubes!!
I'd say, don't buy v-cubes!!
Kirjava
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"Knock Offs" are one of the best things to ever happen to speedcubing.
Dene
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As a v-cubes fan myself, I must say this thread is lol. OP is a troll or a giant moron. I'm inclined towards the second option.
BrainOfSweden
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Most speedcubers couldn't care less if a cube is a KO or not. All we care about is which cube performs the best. Sine the 11x11 have no competition at the moment, it clearly performs the best. I think you should head over to twistypuzzles, the forum were you are not even allowed to write the word ShengShou xD
Username
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I was gonna say this
applemobile
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Guise it's a copy of a kewb tat doesn't exist.
KingTim96
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Seriously? What happens if you talk about ShengShou on the twistypuzzles forum?
XTowncuber
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They edit the post and give you a warning.
kunparekh18
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That's so stupid
I guess that differentiates the 2 forums, both are about solving puzzles, here the emphasis is on method and speed while there it's about the puzzle itself.
Yellowsnow98
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EMI
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It's not stupid, it just shows respect. This whole discussion always reminds me of people illegally downloading music for free and seeming to be proud of it, or saying it was totally legit to do so.
Of course it is something different and especially not illegal to buy KO cubes, but I still can't understand why we can't at least show some respect to Verdes who invented the 6x6+ cubes and also brought out great 2x2 - 5x5 cubes. They won't bring out bigger cubes than 7x7 as long as they don't think it would make them any profit, why would they. Remember they don't rely on us speedcubers, and most people are more then happy with the V-cube products.
kunparekh18
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That's true, we must give Verdes credit, but do you think speaking about ShengShou in a public forum is disrespectful to Verdes?
Kirjava
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I don't believe talking about SS cubes is disrespectful.
I lost my respect for Verdes when he tried to stop me buying maru or dayan cubes.
Ninja Storm
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I think most of us think that what Verdes did is a great advancement in cubing, but what he's doing now(with the attempted blocks of major speedcubes, generally being an unlikeable person) is not.
~Adam~
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Of course the 3x3 is completely different from the patent and is obviously a total GuHong KO including torpedoes.
The 4x4 stole the X cube misalignment mech.
I wonder if twisty puzzles delete V-cubes from posts because they sell KOs?
rj
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Hmmm... I hope so!
AvGalen
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If only those KO-companies would contact V-Cubes, negotiate a license and then bring out the puzzles. V-Cubes gets a percentage, cubers get puzzles, KO-company becomes legit and sells more.
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