Does anyone claim to solve an entire 3x3x3 (or other) inuitively?

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Allow me to clarify what I mean by "intuitively". Most of us here can solve one layer "intuitively", and what this means to me is that I solve it simply by following target pieces around the cube and being able to visualise a few moves ahead. I am not consciously using any algorithms (although of course any intuitive solve could be described with algorithms), and simply go by feel. This is contrasted with, say, the last layer, where while I understand the consequences of algorithms I use, applying them is still a bit of a black box, and I am not able to naturally understand how the cube is changing during the algorithm. In other words, I could not solve the last layer "intuitively".

It's a bit of a vague term, especially when you consider that well-learnt algorithms become somewhat intuitive with time - but hopefully you all know what I mean.

An intuitive 3x3x3 cuber may well come to establish their own algorithms of sorts, perhaps - but think of it what I means as like doing an intuitive first-layer solve, but for the whole cube.

My question - is there anyone out there who would describe themselves as solving whole cubes by this method?

EDIT: Just to clarify - I don't mean someone who solved it once, without help. I mean someone who can solve it over and over again, but who does not knowingly use any algorithms.
 
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Just to clarify - I don't mean someone who solved it once, without help. I mean someone who can solve it over and over again, but who does not knowingly use any algorithms.
 
There are many puzzles that can be solved intuitively but I think that the last layer of a 3x3x3 is not really one of them. Obviously many people have devised their own solving method and probably hundreds of people have solved the cube without any sort of guide. But I think it takes a lot of playing with the cube and devising little tricks to swap and flip pieces.

I always love playing with the cube, trying to make patterns and manipulate it in various ways. My "cube knowledge" is always improving just by messing around with the cube. However, none of my experimenting is really intuitive in the fundamental definition of the word.
 
I think I was on my way to this.
The 1st time I picked up a cube was about 8 years ago.
Scrambled it and solved it in around 3 hours.
The 2nd time took me around an hour and didn't pick a cube back up until late last year, when I learnt how to solve it using algorithms.
If I continued playing with it back when I started I assume I would now be solving it intuitively within a few mins.
 
Tony Fisher figured out his own method with no help back in 1981. Has never taken any help either. Also, Ryan Heise's method is entirely intuitive.
 
Um... Have you ever heard of Ryan Heise?

Yeah, the Heise method is a completely intuitive method. You're just blockbuilding up to the last three corners, then you use a commutator. Solving the cube intuitively is easy, even when not using Heise.

Something I've been interested in for a few years is a poll where people say the speed method they use and whether they can solve the cube intuitively. Because many people just pick Fridrich because it's the most popular and because you don't have to worry about learning how to solve pieces, you just memorize a bunch of stuff. And the people that pick Petrus or Roux want to do something different and usually enjoy blockbuilding.
 
Let's think about this
Roux: first two blocks = "intuition", then CMLL/EO/EP are pretty much algs.
Petrus: blocks = "intuition", then EO/LL are pretty much algs.
Fridrich: F2L = "intuition" IMHO, then LL is pretty much algs.
 
Actually joey, L6E is pretty much intuitive on Roux. After a while it becomes automatic, but still intuitive.
 
Well L4E is definitely an alg.
I guess it's intuitive a bit.. but like, Kirjava is learning algs for cases.. so yeah :P

Good point. So the first part is intuitive but the last is not. Also, Kirjava isn't like other people... ;)
 
a buddy of mine can. It takes him about an half an hour to do it though. He always reduces his 7x7x7 to a 3x3x3 then asks me to solve if from there because it takes him so long to solve the reduced 3x3x3 portion! I'm actually kinda jealous he figured it out on his own.
 
How do you count making your own algs by doing it intuitively? I mean really it's intuitive. You learn how the pieces move. But at the same time, it's still an alg. Happens in Fridrich F2L all the time :P
 
My friend was quite close.

Basically I told him the following, and he's successfully solved it with this:
Get a 1x2x3 block
get another over here
get the corners
get those other edges.

And he got it with that. Since, he's been able to sub 1:30 with only sune and niklas :p
 
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