Do useless activities/objects have a value?

[DaijoCube]

I'm writing an essay for my philosophy class. I'd like to talk about it to make my ideas clearer.

Questions to add to debate :
-Does art have a value?
-Does the efficiency create the value? Therefore, do non-efficient humans have a value? Is human dignity more important that efficiency?

 

[kunz]

art is hardly useless you do know peole make a living doing it right?

as for people every one has some value

 

[dillonbladez]

i guess you got stuck on that, eh?

 

[miniGOINGS]

Do useless activities/objects have a value?

If they're truly useless, they have no value.

 

[Rinfiyks]

Define value.

 

[4Chan]

I like the Utilitarian point of view.

If it promotes happiness, and it has utility , then yes.

Otherwise, no.. the value of those other things aren't the same.

 

[kunz]

now that i think of it define useless and value because if your talking about monetary value it would make a big difference

 

[DaijoCube]

Really old people have no value at all.
Hadicapped people too. Yet, we keep them alive as a burden to our society. We give value to who is unefficient and useless.

Art IS useless. It has no use, does not fallow a purpose that it will reach.
But, it has a value.

The question is not simple, if you give a simple answer, it will most likely be wrong or incomplete. I would not be there if the answer would be as simple as : useless = no value.

 

[DaijoCube]

art is hardly useless you do know peole make a living doing it right?

as for people every one has some value

Nobody said you cannot make money from useless things.

As for ''everybody have a value'', it is a quite new way of thinking in our society. You must think larger that now. Slavery is the perfect counter-argument for that.

 

[Rinfiyks]

Nobody said you cannot make money from useless things.

When someone says "that thing is useless", most of the time they mean that it's useless for the goal that they are trying to achieve.

When you can make money from something, it is no longer useless in a broad sense. Almost everything has some kind of use.

 

[teller]

Art IS useless. It has no use, does not fallow a purpose that it will reach.
But, it has a value.

Art serves to inspire, to provoke thought, or to decorate. How is this useless?

Without some clear definitions, you are going to include and exclude all kinds of weird things in a foggy soup of ideas.

 

[DaijoCube]

Art IS useless. It has no use, does not fallow a purpose that it will reach.
But, it has a value.

Art serves to inspire, to provoke thought, or to decorate. How is this useless?

Without some clear definitions, you are going to include and exclude all kinds of weird things in a foggy soup of ideas.

The thing is there is no real definition for those...
I doubt the artist, when making a sculpture is thinking about how this kind of curves will provoke people.

That's what it does, but that's not the purpose of it.

It's very confusing, I know

 

[4Chan]

Sounds like sophistry to me.

Since the philosophy thread has shown, Mister Teller has experience with philosophy. =/

 

[Thomas09]

I beleive that there are no useless activites or objects in the first place. One man's garbage is another's treasure.

 

[CubesOfTheWorld]

Art SUCKS! The only time it matters is when Chris Bird is doing it. I give art a 1/10.

 

[DaijoCube]

I beleive that there are no useless activites or objects in the first place. One man's garbage is another's treasure.

That is a part of the conclusion. Since value is something that human give to things, it changes with location, personality and time.

 

[DaijoCube]

Art SUCKS! The only time it matters is when Chris Bird is doing it. I give art a 1/10.

You don't know art, or art is not what you see when you think you see art.

 

[4Chan]

>the conclusion. Since value is something that human give to things, it changes with location, personality and time.

Sounds like you've got your essay.

@cubesoftheworld, stop that, you're being ignorant and a nub.

 

[DaijoCube]

>the conclusion. Since value is something that human give to things, it changes with location, personality and time.

Sounds like you've got your essay.

@cubesoftheworld, stop that, you're being ignorant and a nub.

I already have 1300 words Yep, that is the part where I justify the coexistence of the two answers created by the ''problem'' of the question.

(Even though I'm not that bad in english, I find it very hard to talk philo in english )

 

[4Chan]

Ooooh, sounds like a good essay, mister DaijoCube.~