[Disqualified WR] Jeff Park BLD 17.35 insanely BLD round

[turtwig]

Really sucks for Jeff Park. The situational could've been easily avoided if someone had noticed the logo (though it is also his fault for not noticing). I remember several occasions when someone told me that my cube was not legal, and I was then able to switch it with a legal cube.

 

[mDiPalma]

if the regulations are violated, the solve should be 100% DNFd, period.

but we can't expect the wca to actually abide by their own regulations - they've set numerous precedents against that.

quoting my own post in response to what happened.

not that my opinion matters, but i think the way the wca handled this was extremely professional and consistent with their regulations. that surprises me. it was a very good idea to give extra attempts.

extremely unfortunate for Jeff, but he can prob do it again tbh.

 

[adimare]

So the competitor did their best to follow regulations - IIRC they even told the delegate about it. Why the delegate didn't replace it with an extra, I don't know.

He didn't tell delegates until after he finished his solve, because he thought that would maximize his chances of getting a world record. This is something he admitted. Had he told them before solving the cube, as he should have, his scramble would have been changed before he made the attempt and he would have had 0 chances of getting a WR.

It's quite surprising that the people who decided all of that was ok have decided it's not ok for Jeff to keep his WR, I hope he gets it soon.

 

[Dancing Jules]

He didn't tell delegates until after he finished his solve, because he thought that would maximize his chances of getting a world record.

More like, he wanted to give the WCA the chance to decide either way. Which means almost the same, but only almost IMO.

It's quite surprising that the people who decided all of that was ok have decided it's not ok for Jeff to keep his WR, I hope he gets it soon.

But Jeff should have known that a cube with an overlay-sticker is not blind-legal. Not reading regulations is Jeff's fault.

 

[adimare]

More like, he wanted to give the WCA the chance to decide either way.

That's not what he said:

Also, the reasons for why I didn't just ask for an extra scramble to begin with are:

1. He could've been trolling me, knowing that the delegate had just said that no scramble discussion was allowed.
2. Mainly - I wanted to do the solve first so I could see what I'd get just in case the WCA ends up calling it legal. If I reported it immediately, I'd have no chance at a 0.58, but rather just get that extra scramble.

But Jeff should have known that a cube with an overlay-sticker is not blind-legal. Not reading regulations is Jeff's fault.

Agreed.

 

[newtonbase]

But Jeff should have known that a cube with an overlay-sticker is not blind-legal. Not reading regulations is Jeff's fault.

He does know the rules. He was the one who reported the issue to the delegate. He simply forgot to remove the logo from a new cube.

 

[greentgoatgal]

That really sucks

 

[porkynator]

Sad but right decision.
Very nice solve by the way, except for a couple of lockups. Not as nice as Ishaan's 20.02 from a month ago though

What surprises me about the rule about logos for blind is that I have seen many people submit illegal cubes because "they let me use it at all other comps". This means that many, many times the regulations were not followed. And it happened even with world-class cubers at WC17. Of course if a kind of logo (e.g. QiYi logo for stickerless cubes) is barely noticeable and the competitor doesn't know, this isn't their fault, unless it is clearly stated in the regulations/guidelines.
There is a simple test to tell whether a cube is legal or not: toss it in the air, grab it, put it behind your back and start touching the pieces to try and find the logo. It's easier than it seems: with QiYi logos even people who thought it was impossible found it on first try.

 

[mark49152]

There is a simple test to tell whether a cube is legal or not: toss it in the air, grab it, put it behind your back and start touching the pieces to try and find the logo. It's easier than it seems: with QiYi logos even people who thought it was impossible found it on first try.

Typically some can find it, some can't, and then there's another debate about whether that cube should be legal or not. To avoid subjectivity, ambiguity and wasted time, it's simpler to have the rule that embossed or overlaid logos are disallowed. That would include pretty much any logo on a stickerless cube.

 

[Max Cruz]

I agree with the decision.

 

[openseas]

He didn't tell delegates until after he finished his solve, because he thought that would maximize his chances of getting a world record. This is something he admitted. Had he told them before solving the cube, as he should have, his scramble would have been changed before he made the attempt and he would have had 0 chances of getting a WR.

It's quite surprising that the people who decided all of that was ok have decided it's not ok for Jeff to keep his WR, I hope he gets it soon.

Just to correct fact & for historical accuracy, we realized there was the logo right after the attempt not before. Then immediately reported to the delegate. Whatever you heard, it's a made up story by somebody not responsible.