Cross or daisy?

[a_cuber04]

If you were to teach someone how to solve a Rubik's cube with the LBL method, would you show them how to solve the cross directly, or would you show them how to first do a daisy, and then solve the cross? What are the pros and cons of each method?

 

[Deleted member 36445]

depends on the person. some have the capacity to solve the cross directly, others find easier to do the daisy first

A friend of mine solve a pseudo cross then swap the pieces. I tried to teach her the direct aproach but she found very confusing

another friend I just did like 5 walktroughs of the cross and he learnt without any further explanations

it depends of the person, if they can learn the cross directly is the best, if not, daisy is the easier way

you can teach roux too

 

[AJT17]

If you were to teach someone how to solve a Rubik's cube with the LBL method, would you show them how to solve the cross directly, or would you show them how to first do a daisy, and then solve the cross? What are the pros and cons of each method?

I would usually teach the daisy to people learning how to solve the cube.

Pros
-The daisy makes it easier to solve the cross
-It is more beginner friendly as apposed to the cross in my opinion
-It is more easily identifiable to a beginner
Cons
-It is slower and less efficient than the cross
-It may build bad habits if they want to get faster

There are probably more pros and cons, but I haven't taught enough people to give an in depth analysis.

 

[OreKehStrah]

I would usually teach the daisy to people learning how to solve the cube.

Pros
-The daisy makes it easier to solve the cross
-It is more beginner friendly as apposed to the cross in my opinion
-It is more easily identifiable to a beginner
Cons
-It is slower and less efficient than the cross
-It may build bad habits if they want to get faster

There are probably more pros and cons, but I haven't taught enough people to give an in depth analysis.

How would daisy be any easier? You're still connecting the right edge to it's center color; it's just that you're putting them around the opposite center then doing double turns to align them. It should be just as easy to just put it around the correct center from the start.

 

[AJT17]

How would daisy be any easier? You're still connecting the right edge to it's center color; it's just that you're putting them around the opposite center then doing double turns to align them. It should be just as easy to just put it around the correct center from the start.

I share a similar view point with you, but the people I have taught found the daisy to be easier, even when I show them both ways to solve it. Maybe it is just easier to process the daisy for non cubers because you don't have to put it into the right spot immediately, you can put it in the yellow layer and move them around to their corresponding centers.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

How would daisy be any easier? You're still connecting the right edge to it's center color; it's just that you're putting them around the opposite center then doing double turns to align them. It should be just as easy to just put it around the correct center from the start.

Well, LBL is easier or harder than f2l?

Is more moves but is easier to grasp

 

[Running for cube]

I thought this thread meant which is better at first so I put cross. But I usually teach daisy sometimes cross.

 

[Caden Fisher]

I learned with cross but I teach daisy. Also, I was just gonna post the exact same thread when I got on and saw this. Lol

 

[a_cuber04]

Pros
-The daisy makes it easier to solve the cross
-It is more beginner friendly as apposed to the cross in my opinion
-It is more easily identifiable to a beginner
Cons
-It is slower and less efficient than the cross
-It may build bad habits if they want to get faster

That's what I was thinking. If a person wanted to learn CFOP, it would be easier to learn a more intuitive and efficient cross after he has been practicing the cross for awhile.

 

[cuberswoop]

How would daisy be any easier? You're still connecting the right edge to it's center color; it's just that you're putting them around the opposite center then doing double turns to align them. It should be just as easy to just put it around the correct center from the start.

We're looking at this from a non-cuber perspective. Daisy would for sure be easier, but cross is going to be better in the long run, eccspecialy because you don't want to make any bad habbits.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

We're looking at this from a non-cuber perspective. Daisy would for sure be easier, but cross is going to be better in the long run, eccspecialy because you don't want to make any bad habbits.

Some people want to just solve

 

[CaptainK]

I didn't learn about the daisy step until well after I finished learning LBL, but I do think it's a bit easier, since you don't need to look at the side colours when making the daisy. It seems silly now, but I remember getting the colour scheme wrong on the cross when I was a newb.

I'd probably teach the daisy to someone who just wants to know how to solve a cube. But for someone who seems excited about twisty puzzles I'd probably skip straight to cross. Maybe they make the same mistakes I did, but they'll figure it out.

 

[a_cuber04]

A person is going to want to just be able to solve the cube regardless if they want to speedsolve in the future. The daisy would probably be able to get a wider variety of people solving the cube than the cross could. There are several concepts with solving the cube that are hard for most people to grasp at first. Learning the daisy will help make the whole process just a little bit easier and give a person more confidence as they progress to later steps. However, for the type of person who has a mind that is able to easily put things together and solve different kinds of puzzles, then the cross would probably be better.

One way would be to first teach the daisy; then when they have that down, show them how to solve the cross directly.

 

[OldSwiss]

I usually teach daisy, because most beginners have enough trouble to bring the white edges into the daisy position, positioning them directly in the right place of the cross is too hard for most of them.

But I also tell them that this is the abolute beginners method and that they should change it as soon as they know how to solve the cube.

But sometimes you can't convince beginners to change the method.
My wife already know F2L and how to solve a 4x4 but i cant bring her to solve the cross directly.

 

[MewMew_Cuber]

I usually teach cross, as daisy is kind of the same as the white cross, you just need to add one more step. I think inserting the white edges into the white center instead of inserting the white edges into the yellow center.

It's basically the same, but daisy has one more step of turning all the edges two times to match the white center, which is slower in my opinion.

Also, I learnt from J- Perm on YT and he teaches cross.

 

[OldSwiss]

No, it's not the same.
If you do the daisy you don't have to care about positioning of the edgepieces. You just move them to the upper layer.
You do the right order of the edgepieces when you turn them down.
If you make the white cross directly, everything has to be in the right place or you have to use some swapping algs to bring them in the right order.

Daisy has one more advantage. You start directly with white side down.
Most beginnerst who start directly into the cross solve the white cross on the top and at some point they have to learn to solve it at the bottom.

 

[NmeCuber]

Daisy has one more advantage. You start directly with white side down.
Most beginnerst who start directly into the cross solve the white cross on the top and at some point they have to learn to solve it at the bottom.

Yes this can be a big disadvantage, I was averaging sub-16, but now I solve cross on bottom and do int. F2L and average sub-18 and some of that time loss is due to cross on bottom. I have to work back up to where I was

 

[abunickabhi]

If you were to teach someone how to solve a Rubik's cube with the LBL method, would you show them how to solve the cross directly, or would you show them how to first do a daisy, and then solve the cross? What are the pros and cons of each method?

Doing a daisy is much more easier to grasp especially for younger kids.

Many people get confused if we tell them to solve 4 edges at once.

 

[Arcanist]

I teach people to make a cross and swap the pieces to align them. For some reason people find this easier than normal cross. I also first learned using this method so I tend to teach it.