Could vision therapy improve speedcubing, especially look-ahead?

5BLD said:
Yeah, sorry Stachu.
We kinda got caught in some weird discussion...
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I swear it's all related... maybe.

But anyway, did you check the survey? You should answer both questions. It would help us stay on topic.

You should also try out the EyeQ Free 1st session. Try doing like... an RA of 12 before it and an RA of 12 afterwards. See if there's any difference. I'm gonna try it out, too. (EyeQ is vision therapy.)
 
It IS related actually in some twisted way... Hm... Yeah. Of course. That's how we got into that discussion.

On topic: Oh, sorry. Didn't actually look at the first post again. Will do it now.
edit: OK. Will do. Let's see whether there's a difference...

edit: done it;
and average before doing the test...
14.88, 14.77, 15.31, 13.26, 15.15, 14.30, 13.48, 17.77, 17.63, 13.96, 14.23, 15.02 => 14.87 secs
now after therapy...
14.53, 14.45, 15.98, 13.35, 14.33, 14.03, DNF(8.86), 12.96, 16.78, 16.32, 15.30, 13.41 => 14.95 secs

both are bad averages... cold hands (I know... rubbish excuse)
Times are too close to come to a conclusion.
And either way, I wouldn't expect results from just a few minutes of therapy.
 
Yeah, I read your message and checked the first post. And did it. (check my previous post)
edit: you deleted your post before this one?
 
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This theory actually is pretty interesting. A lot to read though, I might finish it later. I do have one question though; How and why do you read on the forums if you hate reading and usually try to avoid it? Do you read better when it's something you enjoy I guess?
 
This is before the eyeQ session.

I did 57 solves just to show how my times fluctuate tremendously. Solves 1-11 were awesome. Then things went downhill for solves 12-23, then I tried and got half-way back into the groove 24-32, then the 15+ solves started coming back in solves 33-47, then I got a really nice but rather lucky 9.55 at solve 48, then I had gotten back in my groove after that point (from solves 49-57). It's really annoying sometimes. I can bet that this fluctuation happens because my eyes can't do what they're supposed to do over long periods of time, or in other words, the fluctuation could be the result of my brain tiring out really fast. This definitely happens when I can manage to stay awake while reading.

The best RA of 12 contained solves 42-53, which was an average of 12.82 (12.75). Best time in that RA of 12 was 9.55, best was 15.21, standard deviation was 0.87. I probably won't show another RA of 57. I'll probably keep it at just 30 instead.

As soon as I purchase EyeQ, I'll start taking data periodically, probably every day.

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Statistics for 08-02-2011 12:04:23

Cubes Solved: 57/57
Number of Pops: 0
Average: 13.56
Standard Deviation: 1.43
Best Time: 9.55
Worst Time: 16.65
Individual Times:
1. 12.72 R2 U2 D R F2 B' U' F' D' F R B2 U F2 R2 U' D' B2 L2 D
2. 12.38 U' R D2 L' B D2 R L2 U' D2 B' L2 D F2 B2 U' R2 F2 D2 F2 U2
3. 13.46 U2 D' L' F' D' F B L F U' F2 L' U2 L2 D' F2 L2 U F2 U L2
4. 13.77 R U B L' F' B' D F R' F D F2 D2 B2 R2 U2 F2 D' B2
5. 12.65 U' F' B D R' D2 F2 U' D2 F R D R2 B2 U F2 B2 U R2 F2 D2
6. 13.22 R' U' F' U' R U F U B' L F D' L2 D2 B2 U L2 F2 U' R2 D'
7. 13.75 U2 F L' U R2 F' R2 D2 R B' U2 R U R2 F2 D F2 D L2 U' F2
8. 11.52 U L' U2 B' L2 D' L U' R2 F R F B2 U F2 U' L2 U' D R2 L2
9. 12.41 F D R2 L U2 B U2 D' L' F R2 F2 R2 U2 R2 B2 D' B2 D R2
10. 13.80 B' R2 F' D R D' R2 D2 R F R' U2 F2 D F2 L2 U2 B2 L2 B2 D
11. 12.40 U2 D' R2 B' U2 L U F R2 F U' R B2 L2 F2 B2 D R2 D B2 U
12. 14.11 R2 B' R L2 F U' L' B L2 B' R U R2 L2 D F2 D2 R2 U B2 D
13. 16.28+ U' F' D2 R F' B2 R D F' R B U' F2 B2 R2 D' L2 U B2 D2 B2
14. 15.46 U R U' R U D F' B U2 L F' U' F2 R2 B2 U L2 U' F2 U D2
15. 12.47 L' D2 F' D2 R F R B2 U2 D' R' L2 D F2 D' L2 U D2 L2 F2 D2
16. 16.56 R U2 D2 F L F' B' R' L F R2 F B2 R2 B2 U2 F2 B2 D B2
17. 12.96 R B' D R' F2 D' F' U' B2 R B' L U2 D B2 U' D' L2 U D2 B2
18. 15.41 L' B' U R2 U2 F U2 F2 U2 L' D2 B2 D B2 L2 D' R2 B2 U2
19. 13.28 R2 U2 L F L' B' D2 L' U2 D' R U B2 D2 B2 L2 U' L2 U' L2 D
20. 15.06 B2 R D R L D' L' B2 D B L2 D' F2 R2 B2 U2 F2 L2 U' L2
21. 16.65 D L F2 B' L D B2 L2 F R U B2 R2 F2 D B2 R2 U2 B2 D'
22. 13.16 L2 F' R2 L D' R' U2 F' D2 L B' U R2 U2 L2 U F2 U' D' R2 F2
23. 15.27 B' U' L F' R2 D2 B D' L2 U2 R' D' R2 U2 L2 B2 D B2 U' F2 D2
24. 12.18 U' R' U D B' D L D R B' R' L U2 B2 U' L2 U' F2 L2 F2 U'
25. 11.31 D2 R U D' L F2 R2 F' L U2 R' U' B2 R2 L2 U' B2 R2 L2 U2 R2
26. 14.46 R2 L' D' B' D2 R U D' R2 U F U B2 L2 U F2 D' F2 L2 D R2
27. 12.91 U R' F' U' L2 F U' D L' B2 L2 B D F2 D L2 F2 D F2 D2 R2
28. 13.94 L U' D L2 F' U R' B R U R' L2 U2 D' R2 D F2 R2 B2 U2 L2
29. 12.50 D B' D2 L' U B' L D2 F' U2 B2 R' D2 R2 L2 F2 D' R2 D2 R2 L2
30. 13.94 U' B' R' L B D' R L B2 D' R U R2 U' L2 F2 L2 D' R2 D2 R2
31. 13.09 U2 F L2 D' F2 U F' R B2 D' L' B2 R2 B2 D2 B2 U' B2 L2 U2 L2
32. 12.19 R2 L B2 U B D2 B L B' D' F' L' U' F2 R2 L2 U L2 B2 L2 U2
33. 15.58 D B2 D' F2 U' B' L' U2 R' F2 B L2 U F2 L2 U2 R2 B2 U R2 B2
34. 14.68 D' B D B R D B' U2 R' U F' U F2 D R2 D B2 L2 D2 F2 U'
35. 13.16 U B R' B L' F L' D' F D B' L2 U L2 D2 F2 B2 D' F2 L2 U2
36. 15.72 F' L' U2 R F' L D' R2 F U L' D2 L2 F2 L2 F2 U' R2 D' L2 U'
37. 14.84 U D F2 R' B' L B' U R' U' R2 D L2 U F2 U' L2 D2 L2
38. 14.58 F2 D2 B L' D B' U B2 L' U' F U' F2 U' L2 U2 F2 U' L2 B2 U2
39. 13.69 R F' D2 F D2 F R B' U2 F2 L' U2 L2 F2 D R2 U' F2 U2 L2 B2
40. 14.66 R' D' B' R L B' U R L' U B' U' F2 L2 D' R2 U R2 U F2 R2
41. 14.40 U2 R F2 L2 U2 L2 U R F' D R' B2 R2 D R2 U' R2 F2 U D2 B2
42. 11.38 D' F' L' U' R2 U2 F2 R2 B' R' B' U R2 F2 D L2 D' R2 U' B2 R2
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43. 14.22 R2 L2 B2 L D2 R2 D' R2 F R' U2 B' D2 L2 U L2 U' B2 L2 U R2
44. 15.21 R' F2 U' L B' D' L D2 B L D F' B2 U B2 L2 D' R2 D2 R2 D2
45. 12.52 R U R L F R B2 U2 D2 L' F' R2 B2 D2 F2 U' F2 R2 D' R2 U
46. 12.13 L D' B' R' F' U' L B' D F R' L2 U' L2 F2 U D R2 B2 U L2
47. 14.05 U2 L D2 F2 R' U2 B2 D F B' D' F L2 D F2 D' L2 D2 R2 B2 D
48. 9.55 B U2 L' B U F L U2 L2 B2 L2 F' B2 U B2 U' F2 D' R2 L2 U2
49. 12.22 U L D R' D R' F' B L2 D R' L2 D2 B2 U F2 L2 U2 F2 D' R2
50. 11.80 R2 L F L U F2 L U' F' L U2 D F2 D' F2 R2 D F2 D B2
51. 13.55 R U2 R L F R L F R U' R2 D2 B2 U F2 D L2 F2 U
52. 13.78 B L2 D' L2 U F' R' U' L' D' B' D' L2 D' B2 R2 B2 U R2 L2 F2
53. 12.55 U2 F' R' B' D B U2 R2 D B R U2 F2 U' B2 L2 U2 D L2 B2 L2
...............................
54. 14.40 F2 U2 R' U R' U' F2 L B' U F U2 L2 U F2 D' B2 D R2 U' L2
55. 14.72 L' F L B2 U2 R' F U' L' B' R2 U2 R2 U' F2 U F2 B2 L2 D'
56. 12.58 U R2 D' L' B2 R' D R U B R' L2 F2 D' R2 U' B2 U F2 U' R2
57. 11.55 F D R' B' R' B U L' F B L F2 B2 U' F2 B2 U F2 U2 D' L2
 
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5BLD said:
wow... I see... at some points you are even as slow as me, and sometimes you get very good times...
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Eye(Q)norite? (REAAALLY bad joke FTW) Drives me up the wall.

Since I fluctuate so much, I feel like I might be failing to pinpoint what's ACTUALLY keeping me from getting better because I'm always focusing on why I'm not doing well during those short "I can't cube for beans" periods. If I'm cubing for too long, sometimes those periods last much longer, and after a while, I'm just like "SCREW THIS CUBE!" and I quit on a bad note, just so I can calm down and start again the next day.

I remember a time at the MIT Spring comp 2010, when I was sitting by myself practicing before competition. Right then and there, I almost got my first sub-13 RA of 12 (or maybe I actually did, I can't remember). So I was really proud of myself. So then I met Anthony Brooks. He asked me what I was averaging. I said low-13s. I thought maybe I'd still be in my little "cubing high" when racing him.

Big mistake. I made myself look ABSOLUTELY RETARDED. Started getting 14s, 15s, and 16s right there on the spot. I'm sure he remembers that. If he's reading this, he's probably laughing... But then again, I'm laughing too. It was pretty funny. Potentially FML worthy.
 
DaKrazedKyubizt said:
Eye(Q)norite? (REAAALLY bad joke FTW) Drives me up the wall.

Since I fluctuate so much, I feel like I might be failing to pinpoint what's ACTUALLY keeping me from getting better because I'm always focusing on why I'm not doing well during those short "I can't cube for beans" periods. If I'm cubing for too long, sometimes those periods last much longer, and after a while, I'm just like "SCREW THIS CUBE!" and I quit on a bad note, just so I can calm down and start again the next day.

I remember a time at the MIT Spring comp 2010, when I was sitting by myself practicing before competition. Right then and there, I almost got my first sub-13 RA of 12 (or maybe I actually did, I can't remember). So I was really proud of myself. So then I met Anthony Brooks. He asked me what I was averaging. I said low-13s. I thought maybe I'd still be in my little "cubing high" when racing him.

Big mistake. I made myself look ABSOLUTELY RETARDED. Started getting 14s, 15s, and 16s right there on the spot. I'm sure he remembers that. If he's reading this, he's probably laughing... But then again, I'm laughing too. It was pretty funny. Potentially FML worthy.
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Hm, well this happens to me, on a much smaller scale mind you. But it still irritates me...
 
I just wanted to add something.

It seems, from earlier posts in this thread, that you are trying to say your inability to focus while reading may cause your cubing times to fluctuate. I have an eye disorder called nystagmus which is where my eyes rapidly move back and forth out of control, so I have difficulty focusing if I am not wearing my glasses/contacts. I physically have trouble reading if I do not have my glasses on similar to what you say. However, I often cube without my glasses/contacts and I seem to do fine.

My problem might be different though because it can be fixed with glasses and yours can't.
 
JonWhite said:
obviously this is a paid advertiser from eyeQ
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Actually, no, I'm not. I'm just experimenting with the product. My doctor recommended it.

EDIT: Either you didn't read/understand the whole thread, or you're trolling. Please refrain from trolling. Thank you.

dimwmuni said:
I just wanted to add something.

It seems, from earlier posts in this thread, that you are trying to say your inability to focus while reading may cause your cubing times to fluctuate. I have an eye disorder called nystagmus which is where my eyes rapidly move back and forth out of control, so I have difficulty focusing if I am not wearing my glasses/contacts. I physically have trouble reading if I do not have my glasses on similar to what you say. However, I often cube without my glasses/contacts and I seem to do fine.

My problem might be different though because it can be fixed with glasses and yours can't.
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I think one of my best friends has that. I always wondered why one of his eyes would keep doing that. That's probably why.
 
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Honestly, I need more convincing that the ability to read has a noticeable correlation to speedcubing. It might, but I currently at this time don't believe it one hundred percent. For example, a person who has never read ANYTHING in their life (a cruel existence, I know), would possibly be able to become very fast if allowed to (don't nag me about how he would learn about speedcubing without being able to read :P). In this example, my main point is that the underdeveloped part of the brain as a result of lack of reading might not have a significant effect on one's ability to speedcube. Obviously, we can't really run any experiments like this, so we would never be able to know the truth in this matter unless more research is done, probably by someone who knows what they are talking about, like an expert in how the brain works along with the eyes (this profession must have a name).

Although I think this might not affect speedcubing too much, I think it still has a minor effect on speedcubing. What you may have picked up on might be the thing that separates the best from the rest. In the end, I think speedcubing has more to do with practice, repetition, and teaching yourself in a way you yourself understand it. If you are not getting faster, then you must be doing something wrong in your practice sessions. Maybe not ALL people can become faster by just solving the cube 1,000 times a day. You might have to switch it up when you are practicing, and figure out a way to become more efficient.
 
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