CLLEF, the evil twin of COLL

[Kenneth]

Shorted: r U2 (r' L') U2 r U' r' U2 (L r) U2 r' ... the (r' L') and (L r) are done as one turn so it makes 11.

That's a really great alg. The funny thing is that doing the excact same alg but change the middle U' into U solves the mirror sune case.

Yes, I know, try the face only version with U2

 

[fanwuq]

What if you come up with CLLEF for all OLLs?
(meaning for all 57 OLLs, you have all 6 possible corner permutation cases.) So that would be 57*6 - maybe a few dozen for mirrors.
That would mean you can finish with CLLEF-OLL and EPLL for every single solve using less than half the amount of algs as ZB and faster recognition. Is this worth it?
I'm considering all the algs of this set except for COLL. When the ELS is easy, I'll do MGLS, if it is long, I'll just insert last slot and do this set of CLLEF-OLL.

Or perhaps you can also flip the edges wrong way on purpose to learn less algs and just use CLLEF. I don't know if this is worth it. For cases where you even have to flip edges at all, it's probably more efficient to flip them the correct way. Then leave this only for the ELS cases where 4 edges are flipped.

 

[qqwref]

That would be a LOT of algs though (342?). Not sure I'd ever want to learn that. Besides I'm not sure EPLL is fast enough to make it really worth it... If you really think you're up for learning 300+ algs, go ahead, but it seems a bit much for so little advantage.

 

[Ville Seppänen]

That could be a step towards knowledge of full LL though I think Kenneth is already finding/learning OLL+CP algs for OLL. Not sure though. And notice that 1/12 change of a lovely PLL skip.

 

[Kenneth]

That would be a LOT of algs though (342?). Not sure I'd ever want to learn that. Besides I'm not sure EPLL is fast enough to make it really worth it... If you really think you're up for learning 300+ algs, go ahead, but it seems a bit much for so little advantage.

Many algs but much easier than you think.

What you need are COLL's that besides solving corners also swaps two of the edges, like Sune does, then you can use M-setup + the usual alg to solve all cases with adjacent edges orientation (examples: M' + Sune + restore ; M + Sune + restore, Bruno works the same). Opposite edges are harder but works if you use a combo of MU-turns to setup. For the no edge cases you must learn special algs = CLLEF.

I can solve some 40-50% of all the 300+ cases using this style, I used to practice this as my speedcubing method, will probably pick it up again later.

 

[AvGalen]

If this method ever becomes popular we need a new definition for edge-control so it will become:

Influencing the orientation of the 4 last layer edges in
a) A positive way (correctly orient all 4, finish with COLL + EPLL or ZBLL)
b) A negative way (incorrectly orient all 4, finish with CLLEF + EPLL)

OLL/PLL finishes will then only be used by people that don't use edge-control (beginners ), for very unlucky cases where edge-control is almost impossible and for very lucky cases where "the last pair" is accidentally skipped

 

[LarsN]

I've learned half of the CLLEF cases in a week with only casual practise. I'm impressed by how easy I'm remembering all those algs. Because of that I am considering working with OLL+CLL algs. And because it's fun trying to find the different algorithms and optimizing them.

I'm not sure that this would make me faster at speedsolving, at least not without a lot more practise. But it would be fun to do

 

[Kenneth]

I learn you a trick you can use Lars:

CLL: R U2 R' U2 --- R' F R F'
COLL: R U2 R' U2 --- L' U R U' M'

Got it?

To make it more fun also try F R' F' R --- L' U R U' M'

 

[LarsN]

I think I get it

Pull out an f2l pair, insert it in different ways to get different results. The CLL and COLL alg in your post are the same except for an M and M' move.

Here's a rewrite of the last alg that made me understand how essential M moves are to flipping edges.

F R' F' R M R' F R F' M'

 

[deco122392]

haha thats very interestin to know, and ill keep that in mind..... ( me thinks more optimal or finger trick frendly vh algs i can make with this in mind)

 

[Meisen]

This evil twin should really get it's own page in the algorithm database similar to the COLL algorithm's.
Anyone up for the task?

 

[irontwig]

http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/CxLL

 

[Meisen]

Yeah, i was looking at that page, but i didn't find it easy to understand. The COLL page on the other hand is awesome

 

[irontwig]

How's it hard to understand? You just click on the case and you got a list of CxLL, which includes CLLEF. It would be nice to have a similar database preferably including OLLCP.

 

[danthecuber]

You can't add a new catagory to the database yourself, ask cride5 to do it.

 

[Meisen]

I was just hoping someone would make an dedicated CLLEF page as it's alredy done for COLL. There are people visiting this forum with varying degree of skill and knowledge, and I for one did not find the images on the CxLL page nearly as informative and easy to understand as those at the COLL page. Just saying....

 

[oll+phase+sync]

CLLEF could even be used within Roux:

The obvious usage is would be to do an M - adjustment to get all (4) missoriented edges in the U-layer

The second idea would be to use CLLEF if you have one missoriented edge in U and one in D.

But currently I not even, know wich of my edge-flipping CLLs flipps wich edge.

 

[oll+phase+sync]

@GUUS

Is CELL just another spelling of CLL (read it on a frech site, but I'm not speaking french )? Do you use any CLL related F2L-additions or other CLL Subsystems? (CLL+1 was mentiond here in the forum, but nobody is there there to know how to do it )

@Kenneth
Do you use Partial edgecontrol to get to adjacent oriented edges?

Is it always possibnle to tweak a COLL with M moves or do you also use S moves ?

 

[uberCuber]

@GUUS

Is CELL just another spelling of CLL

I could be wrong, but the way I interpreted his post is that he does a CLL/ELL last layer (which he just abbreviated to CELL), and that he just has more than one alg for some (all?) of the CLL cases, each of which affects the edges differently; that way he can try to force a better ELL case.

 

[Rpotts]

isn't "cllef" for roux just KCLL?