Can anyone help me with the second layer of this puzzle cube??

[BadBoy House]

Hi all!

I'm a huge Kiss fan and collect a lot of memorabilia/merchandise. I picked up the Kiss Puzzle Cube the other day and couldn't resist having a go.

I'm basically stuck on the second layer. I've been following the instructions on this site: http://www.chessandpoker.com/rubiks-cube-solution.html and am up to Section 3.

All was going so well!!

Here's what my cube looks like right now:

As you can see the top layer is done (thanks to the guide). The problem is this T shape it goes on about in the guide - I've got the middle layer center cubie in place on each face but 3 out of the 4 are the wrong orientation - two need turning 180 degrees to be correct, one needs turning 90 degrees ccw to be correct and the fourth one is correct already.

I need some sort of algorithm to turn their faces.

The guide I'm following seems to assume you've already got these lined up and the correct orientation.

Can anyone help? thanks very much in advance!

If there's a better guide I should be following please let me know!

thanks again!

 

[krazedkat]

Use this tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIoPyfQzM

 

[Johannes91]

The guide I'm following seems to assume you've already got these lined up and the correct orientation.

In normal cubes (with colors instead of pictures), that problem simply doesn't exist. The center pieces can be in any orientation; it looks the same.

You could ignore it for now and solve all the other pieces, and then fix the centers as the last step. Here are two algorithms you can use to do that:

= [M' U M, E'] = M' U M E' M' U' M E

= (R L d2 R' L' U)^2 = R L U2 R' L' U R L U2 R' L' U

 

[Stefan]

Use this tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIoPyfQzM

Dan's tutorial covers supercubes? I guess I should finally watch it (just in order to know it, because so many people have watched it).

 

[h5n1]

Use this tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIoPyfQzM

Use any solution to solve the cube, then rotate the centre pieces so the image match up. With an alg like M E M' E' (Notation). This guide explains it in more detail: http://nerdparadise.com/puzzles/333/centersolve/

 

[AvGalen]

two need turning 180 degrees to be correct, one needs turning 90 degrees ccw to be correct and the fourth one is correct already

That's not possible. You can only
* rotate 1 center 180 degrees (just do a J-Perm or T-Perm twice)
* rotate 1 center 90 degrees clockwise and another one 90 degrees counterclockwise. (just do a 2-gen U-Perm three times)

As you describe it that would leave 1 center 90 degrees turned and that is impossible. Maybe you should check the rest of the cube to be sure!

 

[Johannes91]

That's not possible.

Yes it is. Didn't you look at the picture? Nothing was said about the LL center (or parity).

J-Perm or T-Perm twice ... 2-gen U-Perm three times

Or use algs that are shorter, faster, and easy to understand. Like the ones I posted. Especially if you don't already know those PLLs, I don't see any point in using them to rotate centers.

 

[AvGalen]

That's not possible.

Yes it is. Didn't you look at the picture? Nothing was said about the LL center (or parity).

Please don't misquote me. I specifically pointed out what is possible and what isn't and I quoted the things the topicstarter said needed to be done (which are not possible)

J-Perm or T-Perm twice ... 2-gen U-Perm three times

Or use algs that are shorter, faster, and easy to understand. Like the ones I posted. Especially if you don't already know those PLLs, I don't see any point in using them to rotate centers.[/quote]
I realise there a nice algs, but I refuse to learn algs for something as trivial as rotating a center. That's why I used the words "just do..."

I would personally solve a picture cube by taking care of the center-rotations during the cross. Almost all (especially intuitive) algs are center-safe anyway

 

[trying-to-speedcube...]

R'URUx5 is all i need to say.

 

[AvGalen]

R'URUx5 is all i need to say.

Are you absolutely sure you don't need to say ' one more time?

 

[Johannes91]

Please don't misquote me. I specifically pointed out what is possible and what isn't and I quoted the things the topicstarter said needed to be done (which are not possible)

Huh? I don't think I misquoted you. And you are simply wrong.

1) The situation he describes is clearly possible. He did not say "all other pieces except these 4 centers are solved".
2) You said it's not possible to "leave 1 center 90 degrees turned". Counter example: do U on a solved cube.

I realise there a nice algs, but I refuse to learn algs for something as trivial as rotating a center.

Fine, I shouldn't have called them "algs", but "intuitive, easily explainable move sequences" or something like that.

Anyway, enough hijacking.

 

[(X)]

two need turning 180 degrees to be correct, one needs turning 90 degrees ccw to be correct and the fourth one is correct already

That's not possible. You can only
* rotate 1 center 180 degrees (just do a J-Perm or T-Perm twice)
* rotate 1 center 90 degrees clockwise and another one 90 degrees counterclockwise. (just do a 2-gen U-Perm three times)

As you describe it that would leave 1 center 90 degrees turned and that is impossible. Maybe you should check the rest of the cube to be sure!

Obviously he is not familiar with cubing and he clearly talks about the first two layers, so don't try to be difficult with him

 

[AvGalen]

Please don't misquote me. I specifically pointed out what is possible and what isn't and I quoted the things the topicstarter said needed to be done (which are not possible)

Huh? I don't think I misquoted you. And you are simply wrong.

1) The situation he describes is clearly possible. He did not say "all other pieces except these 4 centers are solved".
2) You said it's not possible to "leave 1 center 90 degrees turned". Counter example: do U on a solved cube.

I realise there a nice algs, but I refuse to learn algs for something as trivial as rotating a center.

Fine, I shouldn't have called them "algs", but "intuitive, easily explainable move sequences" or something like that.

Anyway, enough hijacking.

I said you misquoted me because you only quoted my answer and not the part I quoted from the topicstarter.

But most of this is my mistake. I only looked at the top and 2nd layer and assumed the rest of the cube was solved. I didn't realise that the (solved) top layer was actually the first layer

Obviously he is not familiar with cubing and he clearly talks about the first two layers, so don't try to be difficult with him

Again, that wasn't obvious to me. And I wasn't being difficult to him. I actually explained the most basic principle behind picture-cubes.

So for the TS: If you only care about the First Two Layers, just orient the center-stickers while building a cross. It is as easy as that

 

[Haukzi]

Simple solution, t-perm turns the up center 90 degrees (+ or -) and since a t-perm leaves the M-slice intact you can simply put in another center (do M or M') and do another t-perm.

Edit: RUR' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' RUR'

 

[BadBoy House]

Use this tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIoPyfQzM

nice 1. managed to get all the cubes off nice and easy - all back together again and done. saved me loads of time!!

thanks again!

 

[trying-to-speedcube...]

R'URUx5 is all i need to say.

Are you absolutely sure you don't need to say ' one more time?

Yes. Otherwise, It would be a commutator which never affects centers, because every move you do will be undone later in the algorithm.

P.S. I would have said sexy move if it was RUR'U'
and it would have been x6.

RUR'U'R'FR2U'R'U'RUR'

you forgot F'