BLD (3x3) help

[riffz]

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

It's much more effective to label each sticker with a letter. For instance, the UB sticker for me is 'A' and the BU sticker is 'B'. In this way, you can memorize 2 edges for the price of one.

ie. My cycle begins with UC, which is my letter 'C', followed by RB which is my letter 'L'. I combine these to form the letter pair 'CL' and memorize the word "call".

 

[cincyaviation]

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

It's much more effective to label each sticker with a letter. For instance, the UB sticker for me is 'A' and the BU sticker is 'B'. In this way, you can memorize 2 edges for the price of one.

ie. My cycle begins with UC, which is my letter 'C', followed by RB which is my letter 'L'. I combine these to form the letter pair 'EL' and memorize the word "eel".

??? :confused:

 

[Sakarie]

This probably won't apply to me (i'm not good enough yet ) but this could work.
So, this memo system is based entirely on music.
Edges would be memo-d with Intervals. +1 +2 +3 P4 P5 +6 +7 P8 -1 -2 -3 -6 -7 Aug1 Aug2 Aug3 Aug6 Aug7 Dim1 Dim2 Dim3 Dim6 Dim7.
Maybe some musical genious could try this?

Then my corners method (orient, then permute, memo permutation with notes.)

It's a funny idea, but not fully working. How would you know if it's an small third, or augmented second? And what is a diminished prime?

But there are 12 edges, and there are 12 tones, so why couldn't you memorize it like that? Yes, it would be som terrible twelve tone technique, but it might work! Right now I wished that I oriented first...

Edit:

I just solved a 2x2 using visual orientation and the musicmemo. I'll try doing edges when already oriented...

Yeah, that worked too! 2:26 and it was solved. But I guess I already had memoed it visually too... But what I did was having it in a normal major scale, but more then one octave. Halfsteps would've been too hard for me.

OBS, I'm no musical genius, but I'm kind of good at music, so if you're in that range too, there probably aren't any problems.

 

[dillonbladez]

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

It's much more effective to label each sticker with a letter. For instance, the UB sticker for me is 'A' and the BU sticker is 'B'. In this way, you can memorize 2 edges for the price of one.

ie. My cycle begins with UC, which is my letter 'C', followed by RB which is my letter 'L'. I combine these to form the letter pair 'EL' and memorize the word "eel".

It's not really two for the price of one. but it could be simpler if it was G/O edge was A but the O/G edge would be A'
but i still don't see how that could be easily memo-d.
I like to memo using a string of numbers. i find that a lot easier than letters.

But i kinda find it hard to associate so many different numbers with so many different edges

 

[dillonbladez]

This probably won't apply to me (i'm not good enough yet ) but this could work.
So, this memo system is based entirely on music.
Edges would be memo-d with Intervals. +1 +2 +3 P4 P5 +6 +7 P8 -1 -2 -3 -6 -7 Aug1 Aug2 Aug3 Aug6 Aug7 Dim1 Dim2 Dim3 Dim6 Dim7.
Maybe some musical genious could try this?

Then my corners method (orient, then permute, memo permutation with notes.)

It's a funny idea, but not fully working. How would you know if it's an small third, or augmented second? And what is a diminished prime?

But there are 12 edges, and there are 12 tones, so why couldn't you memorize it like that? Yes, it would be som terrible twelve tone technique, but it might work! Right now I wished that I oriented first...

Yes, well, i've only just started taking music theory, so I am quite new at this

 

[riffz]

??? :confused:

Lol. Oops. My bad. Fixed.

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

It's much more effective to label each sticker with a letter. For instance, the UB sticker for me is 'A' and the BU sticker is 'B'. In this way, you can memorize 2 edges for the price of one.

ie. My cycle begins with UC, which is my letter 'C', followed by RB which is my letter 'L'. I combine these to form the letter pair 'CL' and memorize the word "call".

It's not really two for the price of one. but it could be simpler if it was G/O edge was A but the O/G edge would be A'
but i still don't see how that could be easily memo-d.
I like to memo using a string of numbers. i find that a lot easier than letters.

But i kinda find it hard to associate so many different numbers with so many different edges

I'd say its 2 for the price of 1 if you memorize one word/phrase to represent 2 pieces instead of 1...

What you do mean A'? How would I make up words using that? There are 24 different positions for edge stickers as well as corners, which is perfectly suitable for using the English alphabet.

 

[cincyaviation]

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

It's much more effective to label each sticker with a letter. For instance, the UB sticker for me is 'A' and the BU sticker is 'B'. In this way, you can memorize 2 edges for the price of one.

ie. My cycle begins with UC, which is my letter 'C', followed by RB which is my letter 'L'. I combine these to form the letter pair 'EL' and memorize the word "eel".

It's not really two for the price of one. but it could be simpler if it was G/O edge was A but the O/G edge would be A'
but i still don't see how that could be easily memo-d.
I like to memo using a string of numbers. i find that a lot easier than letters.

But i kinda find it hard to associate so many different numbers with so many different edges

you are not remembering letters though, you are remembering a very short story

 

[Feryll]

Just for reference, it's easy to memo orientation of corners as well as permutation. Like the rollercoaster thing, you could just imagine a lot of twists if the memo changes sides constantly. This is especially effective if it changes by sides by 1 away constantly (ex FDR RBD BLD LFU FDR I see a coaster taking a sharp right [which also gets engraved into my memory as a sune OLL] taking a hill up, and twisting down like the dragster. But only when it gets tough do I actually picture the coaster in my head). If it is changing by 2 sides (ex RFU LFU RBD FDL) it is easy to see where you tap it, and you get a slight break from remembering orientation as long as you know where the 2 side swaps end. You'll figure out your own unique systems.

Remember kids, never doubt your brain to remember visually!

And it sounds cooler when you say "I just remember where the pieces needed to go" as opposed to "I make up a little story with bears and rabbits on a pogo stick race to the moon" when someone asks you how you do it

 

[dillonbladez]

??? :confused:

Lol. Oops. My bad. Fixed.

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

It's much more effective to label each sticker with a letter. For instance, the UB sticker for me is 'A' and the BU sticker is 'B'. In this way, you can memorize 2 edges for the price of one.

ie. My cycle begins with UC, which is my letter 'C', followed by RB which is my letter 'L'. I combine these to form the letter pair 'CL' and memorize the word "call".

It's not really two for the price of one. but it could be simpler if it was G/O edge was A but the O/G edge would be A'
but i still don't see how that could be easily memo-d.
I like to memo using a string of numbers. i find that a lot easier than letters.

But i kinda find it hard to associate so many different numbers with so many different edges

I'd say its 2 for the price of 1 if you memorize one word/phrase to represent 2 pieces instead of 1...

What you do mean A'? How would I make up words using that? There are 24 different positions for edge stickers as well as corners, which is perfectly suitable for using the English alphabet.

er nvm

Is there another (easier to remember. i'm willing to learn algs) way to orient corners other than twisting corners individually?

 

[Sakarie]

??? :confused:

Lol. Oops. My bad. Fixed.

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

It's much more effective to label each sticker with a letter. For instance, the UB sticker for me is 'A' and the BU sticker is 'B'. In this way, you can memorize 2 edges for the price of one.

ie. My cycle begins with UC, which is my letter 'C', followed by RB which is my letter 'L'. I combine these to form the letter pair 'CL' and memorize the word "call".

It's not really two for the price of one. but it could be simpler if it was G/O edge was A but the O/G edge would be A'
but i still don't see how that could be easily memo-d.
I like to memo using a string of numbers. i find that a lot easier than letters.

But i kinda find it hard to associate so many different numbers with so many different edges

I'd say its 2 for the price of 1 if you memorize one word/phrase to represent 2 pieces instead of 1...

What you do mean A'? How would I make up words using that? There are 24 different positions for edge stickers as well as corners, which is perfectly suitable for using the English alphabet.

er nvm

Is there another (easier to remember. i'm willing to learn algs) way to orient corners other than twisting corners individually?

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393

Learn to orient all corners but one in each layer, and then orient those two. The easiest way to memorize is to remember what algorithms you're going to use, and not if they're + or -.

 

[Faz]

just at a marsh mallow, then

injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains

ID GX PV UP MAWM

-> I.D. Gix poverty up mawm

Idk it's way easier for me to to it in pairs, sometimes throwing in random stuff like GiX.

 

[cincyaviation]

just at a marsh mallow, then

injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains

ID GX PV UP MAWM

-> I.D. Gix poverty up mawm

Idk it's way easier for me to to it in pairs, sometimes throwing in random stuff like GiX.

So this is the famous Zemdegs memo method.

 

[dillonbladez]

just at a marsh mallow, then

injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains

ID GX PV UP MAWM

-> I.D. Gix poverty up mawm

Idk it's way easier for me to to it in pairs, sometimes throwing in random stuff like GiX.

So this is the famous Zemdegs memo method.

haha. I don't get how you guys memo so fast xD

 

[Faz]

Well, that's what I'd use for multi

For regular bld it'd just be

id gix pov up ma wem or sth.

 

[jackdexter75]

None of this makes sense. hahahaha. I wish I knew. =(

 

[riffz]

He's just making up random one-syllable words that he can recall quickly.

 

[dillonbladez]

He's just making up random one-syllable words that he can recall quickly.

those are words? 0.o

 

[MiloD]

He's just making up random one-syllable words that he can recall quickly.

I use to do this until I realized I was way over 50% DNF. I switched to a person-action-person-place system where every action is a directional action that can be applied from one person to another. Like stabs, or farts on, not like shaking hands or something. The bigger chunks are very helpful and it usually only takes 3 quick situations for all the edges. Grouping the people in a particular way was especially helpful in the initial association phase. Recall is 100% and usually my only DNF's are pieces flipped in place that I missed during memo.

The goal was always to find things that can be logically combined. This serves as a form of information compression. Syllables and letters can be combined very easily but the combination may not be significant(weird nonsense words can sound very similar) so you have to resort to pure rote memory power or look up tables to make them significant(CL -> Call). Sure the association is easy but I never liked this "translation" step. At first I was using Person-Action-Object-Place system but there were a lot of problems with the action not agreeing with the object. This annoyed me as I have a hard time imagining someone "solving oil". At some point I realized that the people could be the direct object, and I could drop the entire list of 19 objects(for M2 orienting middle layer edges last you only need 19). I changed my verbs to ones that can be done by one person to another. It has been working very well.

I think for 3x3 this system has one main advantages over the traditional PA system. The chunks are bigger and remembering the order of the chunks has not been an issue(for me at least, I've only been doing it for a couple of weeks).

 

[riffz]

He's just making up random one-syllable words that he can recall quickly.

I use to do this until I realized I was way over 50% DNF. I switched to a person-action-person-place system where every action is a directional action that can be applied from one person to another. Like stabs, or farts on, not like shaking hands or something. The bigger chunks are very helpful and it usually only takes 3 quick situations for all the edges. Grouping the people in a particular way was especially helpful in the initial association phase. Recall is 100% and usually my only DNF's are pieces flipped in place that I missed during memo.

The goal was always to find things that can be logically combined. This serves as a form of information compression. Syllables and letters can be combined very easily but the combination may not be significant(weird nonsense words can sound very similar) so you have to resort to pure rote memory power or look up tables to make them significant(CL -> Call). Sure the association is easy but I never liked this "translation" step. At first I was using Person-Action-Object-Place system but there were a lot of problems with the action not agreeing with the object. This annoyed me as I have a hard time imagining someone "solving oil". At some point I realized that the people could be the direct object, and I could drop the entire list of 19 objects(for M2 orienting middle layer edges last you only need 19). I changed my verbs to ones that can be done by one person to another. It has been working very well.

I think for 3x3 this system has one main advantages over the traditional PA system. The chunks are bigger and remembering the order of the chunks has not been an issue(for me at least, I've only been doing it for a couple of weeks).

Interesting... I use something similar to faz for edge memo except that I compiled a list of actual words. I find it very consistent and almost never screw up my edges. Visual corners was what was killing my consistency.