Best 3x3 on the Market 2021 Edition

[SH03L4C3]

The question was: "how the gan 11 is better than the rs3m2020?"
"25% lighter, faster, a lot more stable, and more customizable." is my answer.
And when I use a cube, I don't care about its price. I care about its performances.

lighter is not "better" Its a preferance.

 

[Pyjam]

If you like to cube with an anvil, it's a preference indeed.
And I forgot to mention the springs' noise. Another "preference", I suppose.

 

[qwr]

rs3m 2020 is good for its price but I can't say it's definitively better than a little magic m or a meilong m. I think dayan was on the right track with the tengyun line and those cubes has a very unique feel that could be mainworthy.

 

[BenChristman1]

If you like to cube with an anvil, it's a preference indeed.
And I forgot to mention the springs' noise. Another "preference", I suppose.

The sarcasm is really unnecessary. Maybe light cubes are too fast for some people. You seem to not understand that just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean other people don’t like it. Neither of these cubes are objectively better, it just matters what you like in a cube.

 

[SH03L4C3]

rs3m 2020 is good for its price but I can't say it's definitively better than a little magic m or a meilong m. I think dayan was on the right track with the tengyun line and those cubes has a very unique feel that could be mainworthy.

yea. I cant wait for the tengyun v3

 

[qwr]

I want to add that now that I've spent like more than three hours in total fiddling with the rs3m 2020 to take care of the screws coming out and spring noise, it's a nice feeling cube with a solid weight to the turning which is rare for budget cubes. But the spring noise is annoying and from what I've seen pretty widespread.

 

[SH03L4C3]

I want to add that now that I've spent like more than three hours in total fiddling with the rs3m 2020 to take care of the screws coming out and spring noise, it's a nice feeling cube with a solid weight to the turning which is rare for budget cubes. But the spring noise is annoying and from what I've seen pretty widespread.

oh I found a nice trick for the spring noise. Ill make a video sometime and mention you in the post!

 

[Pyjam]

The sarcasm is really unnecessary. Maybe light cubes are too fast for some people. You seem to not understand that just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean other people don’t like it. Neither of these cubes are objectively better, it just matters what you like in a cube.

Don't try to patronize me. You don't realize that I'm 3 or 4 times older than you.
Unless you are into powerlifting, lighter equipment are usually preferred as they cause left stress on the body. In this case, less fatigue in the fingers. But, indeed, if you prefer a heavier equipment, it's a matter of preference.
Now, the weight isn't the only factor. Stability is a much important factor.
If I would like to talk about my preferences, I would have said that I don't like the touch feeling nor the taint of some colors of the RS3M but those are indeed preferences and not facts.
Maybe you don't realize that you are trying to rationalize your preference for an objectively worse cube.
If the people at Moyu had thought the RS3M has flagship qualities do you really think they would have fix its price at less than 10 bucks?
Seriously, there is no possible debate if all you have to say is "everything is a matter of preference".

 

[BenChristman1]

Unless you are into powerlifting, lighter equipment are usually preferred as they cause left stress on the body. In this case, less fatigue in the fingers. But, indeed, if you prefer a heavier equipment, it's a matter of preference.

True.

Now, the weight isn't the only factor. Stability is a much important factor.
If I would like to talk about my preferences, I would have said that I don't like the touch feeling nor the taint of some colors of the RS3M but those are indeed preferences and not facts.
Maybe you don't realize that you are trying to rationalize your preference for an objectively worse cube.

I think that with cubing, (generally, not all the time) weight and stability go hand-in-hand. Most of the time, a heavier cube will be more stable.

If I would like to talk about my preferences, I would have said that I don't like the touch feeling nor the taint of some colors of the RS3M but those are indeed preferences and not facts.

Yes, those are your preferences, but I guess that I just took your posts as "Hey, the RS3M sucks because I don't like it," but I guess that I was wrong there.

Maybe you don't realize that you are trying to rationalize your preference for an objectively worse cube.

I never said anything about my preferences. I don't have, and I have never tried, either of these cubes, so I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to these specific cubes. I am just saying that everybody should be allowed to have their own personal preferences because there is no "best" cube.

 

[carcass]

I think (probably)
XS > 11 M Pro
What is so much better? I couldn't tell you. I don't have an 11 M pro. But I do know that the XS is so well suited to my turning I don't know what else I would use

 

[the dnf master]

Don't try to patronize me. You don't realize that I'm 3 or 4 times older than you.
Unless you are into powerlifting, lighter equipment are usually preferred as they cause left stress on the body. In this case, less fatigue in the fingers. But, indeed, if you prefer a heavier equipment, it's a matter of preference.
Now, the weight isn't the only factor. Stability is a much important factor.
If I would like to talk about my preferences, I would have said that I don't like the touch feeling nor the taint of some colors of the RS3M but those are indeed preferences and not facts.
Maybe you don't realize that you are trying to rationalize your preference for an objectively worse cube.
If the people at Moyu had thought the RS3M has flagship qualities do you really think they would have fix its price at less than 10 bucks?
Seriously, there is no possible debate if all you have to say is "everything is a matter of preference".

Yes, but preference stills plays a factor. You cannot declare that one cube is objectively better than another, unless it is incredibly obvious. There are decent amount of people who prefer RS3M 2020 more than the 11, and no one can declare that those people are objectively wrong.

 

[porkyp10]

Maybe you don't realize that you are trying to rationalize your preference for an objectively worse cube.

There is no cube that is "objectively" the best now. We're not in a time where only one cube is the only choice to get great times anymore. Not everyone is saying that the Gan 11 M Pro is the best cube the same way people said that the DaYan Zhanchi was the best cube back then. Like others are saying, personal preference is now a big factor.

 

[ender9994]

I still believe the GTS2M was the peak of flagship cubes and we've plateaued from there

The GTS2M is still my main cube even after trying so many new ones. It just got a full cleaning and new stickers yesterday.

 

[qwr]

The GTS2M is still my main cube even after trying so many new ones. It just got a full cleaning and new stickers yesterday.

yup I gotta credit moyu for absolutely nailing the design. I cleaned some residue and added mystic lube to mine and it has an excellent soft feel.

 

[carcass]

I think that with cubing, (generally, not all the time) weight and stability go hand-in-hand. Most of the time, a heavier cube will be more stable.

I don't think there is really a correlation. More just the build of the cube. Gan cubes are the lightest are extremely stable.

 

[SH03L4C3]

I don't think there is really a correlation. More just the build of the cube. Gan cubes are the lightest are extremely stable.

I link some weight to my cube.

 

[Pyjam]

There is no cube that is "objectively" the best now. We're not in a time where only one cube is the only choice to get great times anymore. Not everyone is saying that the Gan 11 M Pro is the best cube the same way people said that the DaYan Zhanchi was the best cube back then. Like others are saying, personal preference is now a big factor.

I understand what you mean but I don't think the RS3M is a serious contender. It's good for its price but that's all.
But if you're right, let's hope the people at Moyu won't realize they are stupids and the RS3M is as good as the flagship by GAN and they cannibalize the sales of their own flagship with a cheapest product.
Anyway, someone asked why one would consider the GAN a better cube and I gave him my answer. I regret that some upset people felt compelled to lecture me with their idea that everything is a matter of preference. It doesn't make you want to answer people. But maybe that's what they wanted because that's all they have to promote their favorite.

 

[Pyjam]

I don't think there is really a correlation. More just the build of the cube. Gan cubes are the lightest are extremely stable.
[…]
I think (probably)
XS > 11 M Pro
What is so much better? I couldn't tell you. I don't have an 11 M pro. But I do know that the XS is so well suited to my turning I don't know what else I would use

I have both and my preference goes to the GAN11. It has a special feeling due to its improved magnetic core. Plus, I like the UV coating.
In my experience, the GAN11 and the Valk Elite are the most two stable cubes I own, and the lightest (with the XS).
But if you are entirely satisfied with your XS, I would say you have no reason to change.
I was dreaming of the stability of the Valk with better colors and the UV coating, so I bought the GAN and I'm fully satisfied.

 

[BenChristman1]

But maybe that's what they wanted because that's all they have to promote their favorite.

Please tell me you didn’t say that. I said in my previous post that I didn’t have either cube, so I couldn’t tell you which one I thought was better. Also, you shouldn’t accuse people of “promoting their favorite cube,” because you were doing it as well.

I’m going to respond to this, because I didn’t earlier:

Don't try to patronize me. You don't realize that I'm 3 or 4 times older than you.

First of all, I didn’t mean to patronize anybody, and I’m sorry that it may have sounded that way. But, yes, you pulled the age card. I realize that this was maybe 50% a joke and 50% serious, but just because I’m not old enough to vote, or drink, or do any of the other things that adults can do, doesn’t mean that I can’t have an opinion or that I can’t be more right than an adult on <insert whatever topic you want to>.

Also, this is what happens when somebody posts a thread about an idea that’s already been posted many times before, so just a reminder to everybody to search for an existing thread before you post a new one!

 

[Pyjam]

First of all, I didn’t mean to patronize anybody, and I’m sorry that it may have sounded that way. But, yes, you pulled the age card. I realize that this was maybe 50% a joke and 50% serious, but just because I’m not old enough to vote, or drink, or do any of the other things that adults can do, doesn’t mean that I can’t have an opinion or that I can’t be more right than an adult on <insert whatever topic you want to>.

The sentence about promoting their favorite was more precisely aimed to SH03L4C3 who admitted he doesn't like something about GAN products.

You're right I was half joking half serious. You were trying to give me a lesson in tolerance, and I don't take it too seriously. And you're right you can be more right than an adult on occasion. But take a step back, in this particular case, you are speaking about cubes you admit you do not own (at least the RS3M), when I own both. So forgive me if I think my opinion is more grounded than yours. That said, please accept that I respect your person, but disagree.

Whatever you think, the fact that some marketing managers at Moyu decide to put the RS3M at an entry level product is a solid evidence that it isn't suppose to compete with a flagship, or they should be fired.