Beginners method vs. CFOP

[nil338]

I have been practising CFOP for a couple of months now, and my best time is 33 seconds (OLL, PLL skip) (today I actually got three 34 second times with no skips).
I have a friend who uses beginners method and has really fast fingers. Apparently he got a 22 second time using just beginners method and H Perm as the last permutation of edges. Before that he got a 28 second time. He was using a speedcube. I was just wondering, how is this possible? I've seen videos that show people with 19 second averages with beginners method, and I'm wondering how it is possible and how long does it take to get down to a 20 second average using CFOP (advanced cross, algorithmic F2L, 2 look OLL and 1 look PLL)?

Please answer quickly.

 

[TDM]

It depends how much you practise. People have got sub-20 after two months, but it took me eight months. The more you practise, the faster you'll improve.

Also you don't need an advanced cross, and definitely not algorithmic F2L. Almost everyone learns F2L intuitively, and imo it's best to.

 

[szalejot]

Do 3 main things:
1. Practice
2. Practice
3. Practice more

At your level is the best way to get fast, just pure timed solving.
At level of 21-23sec averages you can focus little on look-ahead training.

 

[nil338]

Thanks for the help. Is a 20 second time for beginner's method natural though, or do you just get some cases that are just plain good?

 

[cashis]

Try to learn other methods, too. Youre at a point where you can choose any method and be good at it. There's a sticky thread somewhere about choosing methods, go read all of that.

 

[Johnnyman318]

Basically what determines the time of a solve is TPS(turns per second) and the amount of turns you actually have to make to solve the cube. CFOP is much more optimal than beginner method because it takes fewer moves. However, this does not mean that by using CFOP you are going to instantly be faster than someone using beginner method. If you have a slow TPS, then it lessens the advantage you obtain by having a fewer move solve, however increasing TPS is something that just comes with practice, and a lot of it. I have gotten sub-20 beginner method solves because I have a high TPS. The beginner method is very methodic so at a high level it's not hard to complete the entire cube without any significant breaks.

 

[supercube]

I think a lot of people using the beginner method are not using the beginner method exactly. I started using keyhole method with beginner before I knew what it was called. I also place some edges before corners for F2L but only if I can do it in 3 turns and it does not disturb a placed corner. this was before I started learning OLL + PLL.

beginner method F2L. for reference
http://www.roadapples.ws/rubik/rubikpage2.jpg

 

[Kyle™]

I have been practising CFOP for a couple of months now, and my best time is 33 seconds (OLL, PLL skip) (today I actually got three 34 second times with no skips).
I have a friend who uses beginners method and has really fast fingers. Apparently he got a 22 second time using just beginners method and H Perm as the last permutation of edges. Before that he got a 28 second time. He was using a speedcube. I was just wondering, how is this possible? I've seen videos that show people with 19 second averages with beginners method, and I'm wondering how it is possible and how long does it take to get down to a 20 second average using CFOP (advanced cross, algorithmic F2L, 2 look OLL and 1 look PLL)?

Please answer quickly.

Your progress depends on your practice.
The quickest way to realistically get sub 20 with CFOP in my opinion is to simply learn 8 cases of ZBF2L for edge control , minimizing OLL to 7 cases. ( 12.5% chance to OLL skip )
http://www.cubezone.be/conU1a.html See the first 8 cases here, and you should be able to mirror them without much effort.
This will take you a matter of minutes, depending on your comprehension. Spend a little time observing when using ZBF2L is beneficial, like when you notice your 4th pair insertion will yield 0 oriented edges on the final layer.
As for PLL, you simply have to find the fastest algorithms that suit you, and learn as many as possible, don't ever set limits for yourself. Especially things like 'I'll just learn 2 algs a day and be fast in a month'. Child please, just learn them all today, and be fast tomorrow.
And there you have it™

 

[joaquinniembro]

practice can get you to sub 25 with beginers´method, ive a friend he taught me how to solve the rubiks cube actually he´s been cubing for 3-4 years and he´s got very faste fingers so he gets 28-35 secs times but practice is the most important thing i started 2 moths ago and now im faster than my friend with cfop i average like 22-24 (im working on looking ahead) but i did practice a lot. so the answer is practice. and secondly it depends on how much you practice and how you practice at your stage which i was like one month ago what i did was learning full pll, some f2l tricks (i use intuitive f2l but for certain cases youll definetly need it), and practice a lot, do some slow solves so you can think about what cases you have and how to solve them properly after learning the f2l tricks so you can put em on work, and take the cube everywhere so you can be solving, also what helped me a lot to get faster fingers was the sexy move (R U U´R´) even when i was watching tv i used to practice that haha, here are some f2l tricks: https://youtu.be/ltRk3QjGtmg and https://youtu.be/tytlm-cFZwA . make sure you check https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxAN15AQIyU4Zy9EL2jpi1Q this channel is the westonian´s channel he has very good f2l tricks and tutorials that if not noiw at some point youll like to check.so how you practice is the most important thing to improve faster or slower but i think that if you practice correctly you can get sub 30 solves in one week. hope this helps

 

[ketchuphater999]

I was actually stuck at 35 seconds or so for about six months. The only thing you can really do at this point is practice. Make sure that you're trying to look ahead in F2L(It's not so important now, but will be in the future).

Make sure you are using finger tricks effectively and your cube feels good to you. If you just keep practicing, then you can eventually make it to about 20-25 seconds without learning any more algorithms

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Use CFOP and never look back.

 

[theROUXbiksCube]

Use CFOP and never look back.

only look-ahead! *slaps knee* best cubing joke of the millenium!

 

[cashis]

only look-ahead! *slaps knee* best cubing joke of the millenium!

Oh lord...

 

[Jamesie]

I found that when I started cubing with the beginners method my best time was 39.97, new I use CFOP and I have cut of 10 seconds JUST with F2L I also use 2look OLL and PLL with that another 7 seconds, but my friend was getting like sub 30 with the beginners method, and I could barely get sub 25 with CFOP, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE

 

[Johnnyman318]

Basically the largest speed spikes are becoming decent at F2L and then learning lookahead. In my experience, I was stuck at 20-30 second times for roughly 4 months, but when I began to look ahead during F2L, my times decreased from 20 seconds to roughly 12 second averages within a month. Here's how I look at it, if you insert a pair at 8 TPS in one second, that's fantastic. But, if you take even one second to look for the next pair and think how to solve it, then your TPS within that two second time frame has been halved. It would actually be faster to solve F2L at a constant 5 TPS than to move at 8 TPS bursts but take considerable pauses.

 

[Eduard Khil]

LBL is extremely inefficient, high movecount and its limits are around 18-20 seconds. No-one sub 15 with beginners method.