Are these algs bad (as in inefficient for speedsolving)?

[Musturd]

I feel like my CW Edge and CCW Edge Cycles aren't used by many people...
Are these algorithms I learned bad?
F2 U L R' F2 R L' U F2
F2 U' L R' F2 R L' U F2

 

[byu]

These are not bad algorithms, in fact, they used to be the ones I used. But there are better I suggest using these:

R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R'
R U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2

These algorithms are longer, but they are worth it since they only use the U and R layers and can be performed extremely fast. These algorithms are called the U permutation, by the way.

 

[4Chan]

I once used those.


They are actually shorter 2 turns than the R U 2 gen version.
Its just the notation its in.... because L and R' is the same as doing M', and R L' is the same as an M.

So in other words:
F2 U M' U2 M U F2
(easier to execute, though its the same alg, cept with a cube rotation hidden, due to the M.)

Personally, for the clockwise edge cycle, i use the M U 2 gen algs, Like Erik.

Try it:

M2 U M U2 M' U M2
(Also shorter than the R U 2 gen by 2 turns.)

 

[brunson]

Algorithm choice is very, very personal. It depends on your execution time. If you can execute those alg sub 2 seconds, then they're great. Try some others and see if they're more comfortable.

 

[Thompson]

The thing I don't like about those algorithms are the first and last F2's. They are hard to execute for me.

 

[not_kevin]

I once used those.


They are actually shorter 2 turns than the R U 2 gen version.
Its just the notation its in.... because L and R' is the same as doing M', and R L' is the same as an M.

So in other words:
F2 U M' U2 M U F2
(easier to execute, though its the same alg, cept with a cube rotation hidden, due to the M.)

Personally, for the clockwise edge cycle, i use the M U 2 gen algs, Like Erik.

Try it:

M2 U M U2 M' U M2
(Also shorter than the R U 2 gen by 2 turns.)

As long as you use STM.

 

[Vampirate713]

Those algorithms are used in the beginners method, only because they are easy to see, and memorize. Beginners use these when speed isn't important, and they are just satisfied solving the cube.

 

[suhas2112]

2-gen algorithms are much faster...

 

[Musturd]

Thanks everyone, I'll experiment...

 

[AvGalen]

2-gen algorithms are much faster...

Both algs can be executed sub 1 after practise. I don't think you can really say much faster

 

[TMOY]

Note that both R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R' and M2 U M U2 M' U M2 are 2-gen. So both qualify as much faster. (Than what ? Nobody knows )

 

[suhas2112]

I was only saying that they are really fast... A lot of people can do the algs in less than 1.5 seconds... Erik even does the M and U algorithm under a second!! I think that quailfies as pretty fast!!

 

[brunson]

2-gen algorithms are much faster...

2-gen algorithms are much faster are much faster for people that are good at 2-gen algorithms.

 

[AvGalen]

I was only saying that they are really fast... A lot of people can do the algs in less than 1.5 seconds... Erik even does the M and U algorithm under a second!! I think that quailfies as pretty fast!!

You don't get it.
You weren't saying the are really fast. You were saying they were much faster.
Now you are saying that a lot of people can do them in < 1.5 (much faster) while I am saying "Both algs can be executed sub 1 after practise."
And it's not that "Erik even does the M and U alg sub 1". That alg is one of the fastest algs in the world and is certainly good for speedsolving.

Please be careful when you give others advice and don't exagerate.

 

[rjohnson_8ball]

The thing I don't like about those algorithms are the first and last F2's. They are hard to execute for me.

I avoid F2. I do one of my U-perms as L2 Dw M' U2 M Dw R2 (where my M' is actually Lw' L and M is Lw L'). My other one also avoids F2. My style usually involves using more of my left hand. I still use it for speed cubing (because I am used to it), but I use the R U two gen for BLD (because wide turns or cube rotations are dangerous for me in BLD). By the way, I am not a fast solver, but someone might find my alg interesting.