jjone fiffier
Regular
According to Myachiis' scale I should average mid-7 for Skewb (I average mid-15 for 3x3) but my actual average is 3.9-4.0. So I am definitely a specialist.
All Rounders vs Specialists
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Let's see how fast that is:
3x3 x 0.474 = Skewb, which for you is ~3.95.
3.95 / 0.474 = 8.33 recurring.
This means that the practice and time you have put into Skewb to get that fast could have gotten you a sub-8.5 3x3 average.
Now you can use this estimate 3x3 average to calculate your equivalent times for other events. For example -
Let's say you want to find out how fast your 4x4 times would be if they were equivalent to your Skewb times.
You can go Skewb -> 3x3 -> 4x4.
We've already calculated your 3x3 potential average (8.3333...), so lets use that.
8.333 x 3.980 = 33.17.
This means that if you were as fast at 4x4 as you are at Skewb (compared to other cubers in the World), your 4x4 average of 5 PB would be ~33.17.
I think this is quite a useful tool and gives some interesting results.
jjone fiffier
Regular
But I think that my Skewb practice applied on 3x3 wouldn't get me that fast, because top 3x3ers have had multiple years to reach that speed, but top skewbers only about 1.5 years.
Does that make any sense at all?
Does that make any sense at all?
Isaac Lai
Veteran
Actually people like Kennan and PDF have gotten pretty fast in 3x3 in that time. But during that period they almost exclusively practised 3x3 (I think).
PenguinsDontFly
Legend
yeah pretty much. I only started seriously practising other events like 2x2, 4x4, OH, and 3BLD about 3 weeks ago lol.That's what I mean. Most people who are World Class in just 1 or 2 events practice them almost exclusively. If you practiced 3x3 and nothing else for a solid 1.5 years, you'd probably be around the equivalent speed for if you practiced 4x4 and nothing else for 1.5 years.
Of course there are different algorithm sets for different events that require different amount of times to learn and get fast at, but across all events I believe that World Class specialists in events like 3x3 know approximately the same number of algs as people who are World Class at events like Skewb.
Another thing I found quite interesting from this is that 4x4 is almost exactly half of 5x5 in many aspects. It's quite weird. Despite being an all rounder, I do have a slight bias towards 4x4 and 5x5, and I would say I'm about the same skill in both and I practice them about the same amount. The scary thing is, it seems for every 1 second I improve on 4x4, I improve 2 seconds on 5x5. When I was averaging 2 minutes on 5x5, I was averaging 1 minute on 4x4. Now, my PB Ao5 for 5x5 is 1:41, and my PB Ao5 for 4x4 is 50.20. Subtract those from my previous times and you get an improvement ratio of 9.80 : 18.92, or 1 : 1.93.
Has anyone else noticed this and/or have their own stats to strengthen this suggestion?
using myachii's thing / predicted (actual)
222= 2.32 (~5)
444= 39.04 (1:00 looool)
555= 1:17 (2:30 lol)
666= 2:41 (don't have 6x6 lol)
777= 4:00 (15 min lol)
lol bld
333OH= 16.30 (21
)
lol feet
333FMC= 37 (nope)
Mega= 1:04 (3 min lol)
Pyra= 3.83 (6)
SQ1= 15 (lol pls)
lol clock lol skoob
none of these match up, so I guess i'm a specialist in 3x3.
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222= 2.32 (~5)
444= 39.04 (1:00 looool)
555= 1:17 (2:30 lol)
666= 2:41 (don't have 6x6 lol)
777= 4:00 (15 min lol)
lol bld
333OH= 16.30 (21
)lol feet
333FMC= 37 (nope)
Mega= 1:04 (3 min lol)
Pyra= 3.83 (6)
SQ1= 15 (lol pls)
lol clock lol skoob
none of these match up, so I guess i'm a specialist in 3x3.
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tseitsei
Veteran
There are so many more people practising 3x3 "seriously" than people practising skewb "seriously". That's why it is much easier to be "world class" at skewb (or some other less practised event) than in 3x3... Similarly it's much easier to be world class at some sport that isn't so popular (for example skeet shooting or smthing like that) compared to football for example...
I know. But the stats I have used say that the same amount of practice is required to get a PB Ao5 of 3.9 on Skewb as it does to get a PB Ao5 of 8.33 on 3x3. The 'World Class' title is only a comparison of how fast you are compared to other people in the World. You can't control what other people do. In a parallel universe, Skewb could be the most popular event. But the skill required to get down to a certain speed is always the same, whether or not it is deemed 'World Class' or not.
TheCoolMinxer
Veteran
I would consider myself as a allrounder, since I don't really have a favorite event Some of my WCA results still suck tho. atm , I really just practise 3x3 and Megaminx, with a bit of 5x5 
E: i also like BLD; even tho accuracy is bad, but I like the feeling when it's a success
Some of my WCA results still suck tho. atm , I really just practise 3x3 and Megaminx, with a bit of 5x5 E: i also like BLD; even tho accuracy is bad, but I like the feeling when it's a success
Renslay
Legend
Specialist: mainly 3x3 and 3x3 BLD.
Sometimes 4x4 and 5x5. Occasionally 4x4 BLD.
Sometimes 4x4 and 5x5. Occasionally 4x4 BLD.
BboyArchon
Regular
tseitsei
Veteran
No. I don't think that's what the stats say.
Because as you said yourself earlier:
So you actually compared yourself to the current WR. And of course WR in some popular event (3x3) is "better" than some other not so popular event (skewb).
So taking you "parallel universe" example where skewb is suddenly the most popular event of all:
That would obviously mean that because more people practise it seriously skewb WR would be better and 3x3 WR would be slower because less people would practise it seriously...
I think it's quite impossible to compare "absolute skills" needed for some speed between different events...
I think that using the World Record averages is a lot more accurate than using the results from all WCA speedcubers.
I tried to see if this would work using the median time for all events, and the results I got were much less accurate.
Of course it is impossible to precisely calculate an average that works for all people, but we can at least try and find one that suits most people, and seen as though the World Record holders are pushing each event closer to their absolute limits, we can use their best official efforts (the WR's themselves) to get a fairly accurate scale factor for each event. My times alone prove that this works for at least some people, as my predicted 4x4 and 5x5 averages were very close to my actual averages.
bobthegiraffemonkey
Veteran
Has anyone tried using KinchRanks to look at this? Lower standard deviation of KinchRanks = more of an all-rounder (in theory). I get 19.5 over all events, 13.8 when I exclude events I haven't competed in. I may post this in the stats or KinchRanks thread if it doesn't get much attention here.
tseitsei
Veteran
Using WRs might be better than using mean of all solves but it's still not good.
Getting sub-50 fmc mo3 is as hard as getting sub-4:04 4bld? I don't think so...
Petro Leum
Veteran
i really only practice cubic events, and i specialize on 3x3 onehanded and 3x3 twohanded.
I sometimes feel like progress would feel easier if i was practicing all events, because alot of the skill transfers and you just get more PBs per time which is motivating.
on the other hand side, specializing in one event definately makes you improve faster in that one event and is better if you have big goals for that event.
I sometimes feel like progress would feel easier if i was practicing all events, because alot of the skill transfers and you just get more PBs per time which is motivating.
on the other hand side, specializing in one event definately makes you improve faster in that one event and is better if you have big goals for that event.
Hssandwich
Veteran
Wow, this is not very accurate. I average sub every thing minus MBLD, 4BLD and 5BLD.
I would stick to Myachii's system.
If you have any idea how this can be made more accurate let me know so I can try to implement it.
parkpeter963
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I primarily do Skewb, 3x3, square-1, and megaminx (order of importance respectively) but I'm beginning to specialize in skewb
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