A noob's opinion of the Zhan Chi

zhan chi - watch out!

@DaveyCow
Hi, I have a simlar collection as you including F2, Memory cube, Lun Hui, Gu hong coloured, Lun Hui coloured.

I recently received a zhan chi and was not too pleased by this. This morning I received a second zhan chi in the post, so I must have ordered 2 by mistake !
At first I was disappointed by my mistake, but soon was pleasantly surprised, this 2nd model was very different from the previous one. The stickers on it were placed correctly instead of half of them being at slightly the wrong angle and some of them almost hanging off the cube faces, and more importantly it is really smooth, the first one was clicky, seemed to snag or catch (just slightly) all through each turn, the edges ahd a tendency to twist badly out of place, all the corners seemed very loose and rattly, and the thing I noticed that I had heard in a youtube reveiw also, turns are clicky but distinctly seem to 'want' to click into slightly the wrong place, so it's naturally out by about 3mm from the correct angle. ie. not like the Hayan memory cube which almost as its name suggests, naturally seems to want to click as you would want it to, into just the right position. I tried tensioning but makes no difference. I think I prefer all my other cubes to this zhan chi. The second model I just got now, which is from the same company and all the packaging is identical, is not like this at all, it seems more uniformly smooth with no preferred clicking angles, and only now I can understand the good reviews. I looked at a corner piece of the first model and it does have some small but rough plastic protrusions, that maybe do snag or do not help. Now, I may prefer my second new zhan chi to the black lun hui, I'm not sure though.

My favourite cube so far, easily by far, is a Lun Hui in multicoloured plastic, this is a little similar to the black Lun Hui, which would have been my second favourite, but it feels much, smoother and faster. It looks and feels totally finer and superior in quality in every way. I got it originally only because I noticed stickers were easily getting chipped off .

I also have a coloured Gu Hong which is nothing like the reviews describe the (black) Gu Hong, , it feels rigid and quite crude compared to the lun hui and not very easy to do corner cutting with this. I feel the Lun hui feels much smoother and more sophisticiated and much better at corner cutting. But, I haven't modded or lubed this, I have a hunch it could become much better.

It may be that a fast cuber would prefer different cubes than I would, however, based more on speed, but I find the Lun Hui very fast for me (beginner) , unlike one review I read, which described it as slow. It does seem to have some ( but, very smooth and pleasant) resistance in the turns, that I suppose a hardcore speedcuber might rather not have.

Hope this helps someone in their buying decisisons

Harvey
 
This inconsistency between the same model of cube is really bugging me. Ever since yockee drew attention to screws being crooked, I have really had to wonder how widespread this problem really is.

At any rate, right out of the box the ZhanChi is the cube that finally retired my F-II. When I pick up F-II now, I notice how much it actually catches and I can never go back. I've got my new main, and it's fingertrickalicious. :)
 
I managed to pop my Zhanchi with the torpedos in... I had to unscrew it to re-assemble it.

Other than that, it kicked the crap out of my good ole F-II the second I got it out of the box. I've already set my PB average of 12, 5 and NL single on it.
 
ah Thx! yur nice in saying that and I'd like to consider myself in the speeding (at least cubing!) community :) I"m bad at memorization and so I don't intend on knowing full friedrich. But I'm hopefull that working on cross, intuitive F2L, and lookahead will put me at 30-40. Do you think this is an obtainable goal?

And I fully support your buying a Zhan Chi! :) I can't imagine what would be in a Dayan 6 !!!!

A few months ago, when I started learning fridrich, I didn't think that it would ever be possible for me to learn all the algorithms, but now that I have almost learned full pll, and are about to start OLL, I see that it's not that hard at all. It's all about practice and repeating. Don't give up already :)
 
A few months ago, when I started learning fridrich, I didn't think that it would ever be possible for me to learn all the algorithms, but now that I have almost learned full pll, and are about to start OLL, I see that it's not that hard at all. It's all about practice and repeating. Don't give up already :)

yeah! i'm currently working on intuitive F2L (ReDo's tutorial is amazing!) and can see that will help a ton (currently beginner's F2L gives me average of about 90 secs). I'm not worried about learning OLL or PLL algs until I got F2L and cross down. I will not give up on my addiction! Long live the (ZhanChi) cube!!!
 
I'm liking the Zhanchi so far. It resembles an AV in some ways, but faster and smoother. It's like an AV/Guhong hybrid. The cube seems a little locky to me. Granted, I'm not the most accurate turner, but I think a mod can be done to lessen the locky feel. Overall, I think this cube is a step up from the guhong. It's faster and hasn't popped on me. I'm not using any anchors btw.
 
I couldn't find a general "what do you think about Zhan Chi" thread, so I'll start one (sorry if I just missed it!)

I am in no way a speedcuber (98 seconds average atm but working on intuitive F2L to get faster!) but I have been buying several different types of cubes. I have an alpha-V, GuHong, F-II, just got Haiyan Memory today, and got my Zhan Chi a few days ago. And I am in total love with my Zhan Chi! it turns so nice and smooth and still has a soft clicking (which I like). It hasn't even come close to popping yet and doesn't lock. It's just so fun and pleasurable to solve and even just fingertricks!

So, from this noob's perspective, this is an amazing cube! (I have a GhostHand II coming in soon, so I'm excited to try that out tho).

What are other people's opinions on the Zhan Chi?

I'm starting to like the Zhan Chi. Still not as good as any of my Gu Hongs. You probably won't get as much out of this cube until your times go down though. It's always better for beginners to start out with regular cubes. As for the Ghost Hand 2, make sure to do my mod to this cube, or you'll want to destroy it. It has this annoying internal lock up, for which I've found a cure. You can see it here in the video gallery, or just go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=275ntimSwPI
So far, everyone who has done the mod has had success! Just make sure to tighten the cube as well. It is not one to be loose. The mod will stop the internal locking, but there is still an external lock that can only be REDUCED by tightening the cube. It is now one of my favorites.

@DaveyCow
Hi, I have a simlar collection as you including F2, Memory cube, Lun Hui, Gu hong coloured, Lun Hui coloured.

I recently received a zhan chi and was not too pleased by this. This morning I received a second zhan chi in the post, so I must have ordered 2 by mistake !
At first I was disappointed by my mistake, but soon was pleasantly surprised, this 2nd model was very different from the previous one. The stickers on it were placed correctly instead of half of them being at slightly the wrong angle and some of them almost hanging off the cube faces, and more importantly it is really smooth, the first one was clicky, seemed to snag or catch (just slightly) all through each turn, the edges ahd a tendency to twist badly out of place, all the corners seemed very loose and rattly, and the thing I noticed that I had heard in a youtube reveiw also, turns are clicky but distinctly seem to 'want' to click into slightly the wrong place, so it's naturally out by about 3mm from the correct angle. ie. not like the Hayan memory cube which almost as its name suggests, naturally seems to want to click as you would want it to, into just the right position. I tried tensioning but makes no difference. I think I prefer all my other cubes to this zhan chi. The second model I just got now, which is from the same company and all the packaging is identical, is not like this at all, it seems more uniformly smooth with no preferred clicking angles, and only now I can understand the good reviews. I looked at a corner piece of the first model and it does have some small but rough plastic protrusions, that maybe do snag or do not help. Now, I may prefer my second new zhan chi to the black lun hui, I'm not sure though.

My favourite cube so far, easily by far, is a Lun Hui in multicoloured plastic, this is a little similar to the black Lun Hui, which would have been my second favourite, but it feels much, smoother and faster. It looks and feels totally finer and superior in quality in every way. I got it originally only because I noticed stickers were easily getting chipped off .

I also have a coloured Gu Hong which is nothing like the reviews describe the (black) Gu Hong, , it feels rigid and quite crude compared to the lun hui and not very easy to do corner cutting with this. I feel the Lun hui feels much smoother and more sophisticiated and much better at corner cutting. But, I haven't modded or lubed this, I have a hunch it could become much better.

It may be that a fast cuber would prefer different cubes than I would, however, based more on speed, but I find the Lun Hui very fast for me (beginner) , unlike one review I read, which described it as slow. It does seem to have some ( but, very smooth and pleasant) resistance in the turns, that I suppose a hardcore speedcuber might rather not have.

Hope this helps someone in their buying decisisons

Harvey


Dude, something must be wrong with your colored Gu Hong because mine is better than all of my others. It's INCREDIBLE! All the colored Dayans are better than the regulars. White ones are also superior due to the plastic being made with PVC. YOU HAVE TO LUBE DAYANS. Do not even TALK about them until you've lubed them.
 
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yockee said:
Dude, something must be wrong with your colored Gu Hong because mine is better than all of my others. It's INCREDIBLE! All the colored Dayans are better than the regulars. White ones are also superior due to the plastic being made with PVC. YOU HAVE TO LUBE DAYANS. Do not even TALK about them until you've lubed them.

The Zhan CHi is very sensitive to lube. I have three, all lubed differently and each feels different.
With lubix on the core, springs and pieces it feels gummy and slow
With 30 Wt Shock oil it's snappy(Sounds crispy but feels smooth) like LingYun and is smooth and medium fast
With Lubix on the spirngs and core only and nothing on the pieces its crispy and fast. It has an A V type of Crispiness.

I'm blown away by the difference in feel. It's not a cube I'd buy used unless I could try it first. If I get any more they will be DIY.

I'd also like to say that once I felt the unlubed one I decided to clean out the lubix one. Wiping the pieces didn't fix it. I even tried to spray each piece the de-greaser. It still doesn't compare.
 
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@lockee
thanks
I have tried some lubricaton with Maru on the GuHong,
there is still a massive difference, the LunHui coloured can corner cut at almost any angle ie. as you increase the angle there is only a very small range where it absolutely can't cut until it starts to reverse cut instead, as long as you hold the centres firnly. And, at about 40 degrees, ie. where the edges line up on the far side to the cut , it's very easy and feels silky. On the other hand , the Gu Hong takes a very forceful action to corner cut at about 40 degrees and won't cut at all at 45 degrees. I'm glad to have read your opinion and maybe I've got a different batch or a dud model, which I can believe after my first Xhan Chi being so different, so I might see if I can buy another one from another company
 
You probably won't get as much out of this cube until your times go down though. It's always better for beginners to start out with regular cubes.

True but I love the feel so much! it's like silk and I can't put it down!


As for the Ghost Hand 2, make sure to do my mod to this cube, or you'll want to destroy it. It has this annoying internal lock up, for which I've found a cure. You can see it here in the video gallery, or just go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=275ntimSwPI

yeah thx for the vid - it's great and makes lots of sense! I've definitely encountered the lockup and would love to get rid of it. So I'll try your suggestion!
 
I loosened mine and lubed it, I find it makes alot of noise, it cuts pretty well, doesn't pop much, but it feels blocky to me, not as smooth as my lingyun or my lunhui. maybe I should loosen it some more and see if that helps, also, I lubed it with jig-a-loo, but I heard maru lube makes it extremely good
 
tried my friend's that he had for two days.
A little overhyped. Definitely needs lube and tension.

I personally beleive that it's a BIG improvement over the GuHong, and wasn't very overhyped at all. I found the Guhong slow and it locked up alot. But your correct, the cube NEEDS tensioning and lube (I used 55wt. shock fluid(Wayy better than Lubix)) and the cube is amazing.
 
I loosened mine and lubed it, I find it makes alot of noise, it cuts pretty well, doesn't pop much, but it feels blocky to me, not as smooth as my lingyun or my lunhui. maybe I should loosen it some more and see if that helps, also, I lubed it with jig-a-loo, but I heard maru lube makes it extremely good

Shock Oil! (and tighten it)
 
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