a new chinese 7x7 with VCUBE quality

[Lux Aeterna]

LOLOLOL thats such a nice reply to memyselfandpi

It is? Why is that funny? It just says "oh hey you took the time to post a good explanation of your point of view, but i really dont care". Real cool...

Also. Fun fact. Twistypuzzles does NOT delete all posts about KOs and stifle discussion. Twistypuzzles deletes links to the sale of KO puzzles. That's quite different, and for good reason. There's a difference between clarifying what does and does not constitute a legitimate product (this is fine) and directly facilitating the purchase of illegitimate products (which is not fine).

If you start a new thread over there arguing about why you think KOs are acceptable, sure, you're going to get rocks thrown at you, but that's NOT because people there aren't willing to talk openly and share information. It's because chances are there are literally dozens of threads already that say exactly the same thing you did that you could have just skimmed instead, and it's irritating to have a board cluttered with unnecessary threads with no real content. On the other hand, if you're making a thread over there because you're legitimately misinformed/confused/whatever and just want to know more about the issue, you STILL shouldn't be making a thread, because all your questions have been answered hundreds of times in other threads that you're just too lazy to search for.

It's a simple ethical issue, with a simple answer. Either you care about the issue, or you don't care. In the former case, there's no argument to have in the first place, you just do the right thing, and in the latter case, there's no point to arguing, as it just frustrates everyone involved.

 

[daniel0731ex]

but they censor the names of the company and reviews about them. now THAT's odd.

 

[StachuK1992]

Guys, I'm not for completely shrouding KO's. But why not just say, "There are KO's of V-Cubes. So if you a see a 6x6 or a 7x7, don't buy unless it has a V-Cube Logo!"

Because that's ********.
In that case, don't eat a chicken sandwich unless it's in a "Chik-fil-a" box, and don't buy a 3x3 that's not made by Seventowns.
Without diversity, there will be no advancement.

 

[brunson]

Guys, I'm not for completely shrouding KO's. But why not just say, "There are KO's of V-Cubes. So if you a see a 6x6 or a 7x7, don't buy unless it has a V-Cube Logo!"

Because that's ********.
In that case, don't eat a chicken sandwich unless it's in a "Chik-fil-a" box, and don't buy a 3x3 that's not made by Seventowns.
Without diversity, there will be no advancement.

That's a ******** analogy. Chik-fil-a didn't invent a chicken after no one else had been able to come up with a chicken for 30 years after the first bird was invented. The market would be served by alternate implementations of the larger cubes, but these companies have simply stolen Verdes' work and imagination for their own profit. If their "innovations" were novel enough, they could file a derivative patent, but they aren't.

 

[daniel0731ex]

updated some pictures to generate the wrong kind of interest.

 

[rookie]

LOLOLOL thats such a nice reply to memyselfandpi

It is? Why is that funny? It just says "oh hey you took the time to post a good explanation of your point of view, but i really dont care". Real cool...

thats why its funny...

 

[StachuK1992]

Guys, I'm not for completely shrouding KO's. But why not just say, "There are KO's of V-Cubes. So if you a see a 6x6 or a 7x7, don't buy unless it has a V-Cube Logo!"

Because that's ********.
In that case, don't eat a chicken sandwich unless it's in a "Chik-fil-a" box, and don't buy a 3x3 that's not made by Seventowns.
Without diversity, there will be no advancement.

That's a ******** analogy. Chik-fil-a didn't invent a chicken after no one else had been able to come up with a chicken for 30 years after the first bird was invented. The market would be served by alternate implementations of the larger cubes, but these companies have simply stolen Verdes' work and imagination for their own profit. If their "innovations" were novel enough, they could file a derivative patent, but they aren't.

Chik-fil-a actually did invent the chicken sandwich. So the analogy is similar to
chicken = plastic
sandwich = cube
Sure, it's a tad sketchy, but it makes a point.

And yes, direct copies are bad. I'm not disagreeing with that. What I don't like is when I see people wanting to ban things like DIY cubes, which are obviously completely different from the original cubes.

 

[Cheese_Board]

Guys, I'm not for completely shrouding KO's. But why not just say, "There are KO's of V-Cubes. So if you a see a 6x6 or a 7x7, don't buy unless it has a V-Cube Logo!"

Because that's ********.
In that case, don't eat a chicken sandwich unless it's in a "Chik-fil-a" box, and don't buy a 3x3 that's not made by Seventowns.
Without diversity, there will be no advancement.

That's a ******** analogy. Chik-fil-a didn't invent a chicken after no one else had been able to come up with a chicken for 30 years after the first bird was invented. The market would be served by alternate implementations of the larger cubes, but these companies have simply stolen Verdes' work and imagination for their own profit. If their "innovations" were novel enough, they could file a derivative patent, but they aren't.

Chik-fil-a actually did invent the chicken sandwich. So the analogy is similar to
chicken = plastic
sandwich = cube
Sure, it's a tad sketchy, but it makes a point.

And yes, direct copies are bad. I'm not disagreeing with that. What I don't like is when I see people wanting to ban things like DIY cubes, which are obviously completely different from the original cubes.

Even if Chik-fil-a invented the chicken sandwich, they didn't spend thousands on a patent to prevent the idea from being copied.

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

Stop arguing and filling the thread with dumb stuff.

 

[daniel0731ex]

Stop arguing and filling the thread with dumb stuff.

like chicken sandwich?

 

[endless_akatsuki]

UPDATE:
found it on dealextreme:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32043
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32044
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32045

WIN! LMAO

The thing is, people will be themselves (obviously), and so the people that buy KOs just get pissed off at the people telling them not to, and so they will buy more to spite the "good" people.

 

[rookie]

yea lol... ill buy more for the people that cant

 

[esquimalt1]

So 3x3's & pyraminxs AREN'T KO's anymore. But as for the cubes that are KO's, why should we even discuss them? They're made illegally, they hurt the original inventors who built them, & they give intensives to future inventors to not produce their own puzzles. Can't you guys see that logic? If you can't, you I'll just leave it at that. I don't wish to argue this anymore.

I've been talking to Mefferts for awhile through email, and somehow I mentioned a Cube4you pyraminx. In response,
"Just for your info, the Pyraminx was an illegal copy."
So Uwe and Ulrich still think they're illegal copies.

Hmm, I wonder how that is.

 

[Speedy McFastfast]

OMG Speedy Mcfastfast just posted, made my day.

OMG!

Lol, hi guys. So im guessing KOs have been a problem lately? I havent checked up on the cubing world lately.

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

OMG Speedy Mcfastfast just posted, made my day.

OMG!

Lol, hi guys. So im guessing KOs have been a problem lately? I havent checked up on the cubing world lately.

Its only a problem if you want it to be

 

[Tim Major]

I'm fine with KO's. To start something new, should cubes that have patents, but have been knocked off anyway, be allowed in competition? I mean, technically the cubes are against the law.

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

Ignoring all ethical aspects,

3m) All puzzle and sticker brands are allowed, as long as the puzzles comply with the other WCA regulations.

So unless that specific competition/person in charge disallows the use of knock off puzzles, I don't see any problems. I'd love to see a pillowed 6x6 being used to break the WR XD

 

[DavidWoner]

So unless that specific competition/person in charge disallows the use of knock off puzzles, I don't see any problems. I'd love to see a pillowed 6x6 being used to break the WR XD

Won't happen, because pillowed cubes are lame.

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

Pillowed cubes > u

 

[xb27]

If the KO cubes getting better than the original one , its unfair for the cuber who support the original inventor. I think its OK to know some information of this. But if we want a better KO cube , we should
BUY BOTH KO AND V-CUBE AT ONCE!!!