1H and 2H equivalents

[Davepencilguin]

With 2H solves, It's the goal of new cubers to achieve sub-20 times.
And the ultimate goal is to get sub-12.

What are the equivalent "goal times" of 1H solves?

 

[Dene]

I would say, at this stage, sub30 is a reasonable aim for new OHers, sub20 for the top. However, that sub20 will probably drop to sub17ish eventually.

 

[Lofty]

hmm idk I think sub 18 is equivalent to the two sub 10 times and sub 20 i guess can be sub 12 but thats only now. I can see the OH times still going down for awhile.

 

[Dene]

Yes, that's exaclty the point. There is so much more potential for OH, I think setting the boundary at sub18 for the experts just isn't going to be fast enough.

 

[Jai]

There's so much potential for OH, that I think that OH as it is today, opposed to what it can turn into, is comparable to cubing in the 80's, and cubing today; I don't think anybody would've seen 10.xx averages coming back then, let alone Nakajima's sub-10 average (Harris almost got one too, but he accidentally closed Jnet)

 

[qqwref]

I'm not sure if there's THAT much extra potential. We've already got the OH-optimized algorithms, the crazily awesome OH cubes (well, I don't have one, but all the Japanese OH guys do), and the high amounts of practice. The unofficial average times will probably get to 14-15 in the next few years but I don't think we're in a position of being like the 80s; maybe we're around late 2006 or so.

That reminds me. I hereby make an open bet of one US dollar, to anyone who wants to take it, that there will be at least two sub-20 OH averages at the Osaka Open on the 29th.

 

[Lofty]

I agree with qqwerf... there isn't that much potential. if there was you have to be saying that we will get to sub-10 eventually. That may be possible as people learn more and more algs and actually implement things like ZB, which tho I was intially planning on pursuing I'm questioning if I want to put that much commitment into the cube. So yes the times will keep going down for a bit more...
and yes I think there will be two as well assuming Tomy and Serisuza both attend... tho other Japanese cubers have sub-20 none have it to quite the extent they do. I have a sub-20 average of 5 but not 10 so I doubt I'll get an official sub 20 anytime soon... maybe by the US Open...

 

[Rama]

the crazily awesome OH cubes (well, I don't have one, but all the Japanese OH guys do)

What about my cube?:'(

Anyway, I read that Tomy already did sub 17 average.

 

[Lofty]

whoa! where did you read that?

 

[Rama]

whoa! where did you read that?

http://speedcubelife.blog98.fc2.com/blog-entry-267.html

On the right the ''about'' part
16.19... outragious.

 

[Lofty]

oh my! That is insane! His OH is now faster than my 2H... :-(
I translated the blog and i am scared!
It appears Tomy has also learned a chunk of COLL as well. There goes my advantage with knowing more algs. Well I can pratice more and get the still NaR or NR...

 

[Rama]

Am I the only one too lazy to learn something different!?

Lofty, maybe you should take a break from OH cubing and then I mean not for a day, but for a month, it worked for me and most people improve alot when they haven't practised a puzzle for a while (ofcourse solve OH occasionaly).
And come on Lofty, why would you be scared? Stay relaxed and chill out with other cubers during competition.

 

[Lofty]

haha I am thinking I am too lazy to learn all of ZB does that count?
and I don't cube near as much as I used to anymore. I just went on a week break and barely cubed at all, I hung out with friends I don't see now that I am at uni, so I don't cube like I used to. Don't think I'm still doing averages of 100 anymore lol.
I suppose it can't hurt to practice just 2H or 5x5 for awhile...
As for chilling out at competition, I am going to two comps in the next two months!
btw have you had sub-20 at home for a full average?

 

[Rama]

Hmm, full ZB... well I use semi-edge control, maybe I will learn COLL's too.

I had so many opportunities, but my choking habit is taking over, I even had a few opportunities to do sub 19.5, anyway since I have the WR(sorry don't want to brag) I quit OH, I surpassed my original goal and that was to be the #3 Dutch OH cuber at the Netherlands 2007.

Brian, how fast are you with the 5x5x5? Maybe we can set goals with eachother for the 5x5x5.

 

[Lofty]

I use semi to full edge control... it can't hurt to learn the COLL's some of them are just the mirrors of algs I already know. I mailed Tomy about his COLL learning maybe he will give us some good algs.
I know all about choking. I have had my chances for sub 20 as well, today I had 5 sub-20's in an average but it was not ever sub 21 because of choke solves.
I am not fast at all with 5x5x5... I average maybe 4:30