10 people are sub25

[hdskull]

Poor Mátyás...not even in the top10

don't make him mad, or he'll use all his 4hrs of practice on OH, hahaha.

 

[gillesvdp]

Well, since he knew he lost the ER, I am almost certain he started to practice immediately.
So I will have a very hard time at the Polish Open. haha

Anyway, a sub20 average does not seem imposible to me.
In one average at the Lyon Open, I *nearly* had 2 sub20 solves. Just add a third one and another good solve in the low 20-21's and you are done !

Gilles

 

[AvGalen]

Just look at the 3x3x3 history

In 2003
16.71 seconds single solve would give you a world record
20.00 seconds average would give you a world record

Untill 2005
Only one person had a single solve below 15. Right now 35 people have done that and it is practically impossible to win a tournament without a sub-15 average.

Now for One Handed:
2004: Let's not talk about it.
Untill 2005 2 people got sub-30, 0 got sub-25
Untill 2006 8 people got sub-30, 2 got sub-25
This year 25 people got sub-30, 11 got sub-25

I think we will see the first sub-20 averages this year and that it will be practically impossible to win a tournament without a sub-20 average by the end of next year.

 

[Pedro]

hmm...maybe you're right...

but I don't think getting sub-15 avgs on 2-handed is the same as getting sub-20 on OH...

 

[hdskull]

hmm...maybe you're right...

but I don't think getting sub-15 avgs on 2-handed is the same as getting sub-20 on OH...

that's not really his point, but yea, i think getting a sub 20 avg OH is like getting sub 13/12 2H at the moment.

 

[AvGalen]

My point was that getting a sub 20 OH now is like getting a sub 15 SS a couple of years ago. Nobody had done it, but some thought it would be possible. A couple of years later and it will/has become a requirement to win a (big) tournament.

P.S. I am talking averages here!

 

[gillesvdp]

My point was that getting a sub 20 OH now is like getting a sub 15 SS a couple of years ago. Nobody had done it, but some thought it would be possible. A couple of years later and it will/has become a requirement to win a (big) tournament.

P.S. I am talking averages here!

I agree with you.
But I am more optimistic than you: I think we will see a sub20 OH average this year.

 

[AvGalen]

I think I am even more optimistic than you are:

I think we will see the first sub-20 averages this year and that it will be practically impossible to win a tournament without a sub-20 average by the end of next year.

 

[Lofty]

I think we will certainly see sub 20 OH averages but as for it being required to win a tourny... maybe by next year... some of the smaller tournies like the Florida Open I doubt it (unless of course i get that fast by the next one in Florida lol) I would not be suprised at all if at Worlds there was a sub 20 avg...just as long as you guys give me enough time to drop 15 seconds off my OH average I think sub 20 will be awesome!

 

[AvGalen]

Was this sentence "I think we will see the first sub-20 averages this year and that it will be practically impossible to win a tournament without a sub-20 average by the end of next year." really that difficult to understand. Both Gilles and Lofty agree with it, but they make it sound like we have different opinions.

Let me rephrase it:
I think that we will see several sub 20 averages this year.
I think that a sub 20 average will be needed to win a high-quality tournament 12 months from now.

Another observation:
My 3x3x3 and 3x3x3_oh times (averages): 26.79 and 47.64 = +78%
World records: 11.76 and 21.15 = +80%
Deduction:
OH takes 79% longer than regular. If OH gets sub20 (19.99) that means regular would get to 11.17

 

[Pedro]

Another observation:
My 3x3x3 and 3x3x3_oh times (averages): 26.79 and 47.64 = +78%
World records: 11.76 and 21.15 = +80%
Deduction:
OH takes 79% longer than regular. If OH gets sub20 (19.99) that means regular would get to 11.17

not really...I did some statistics with both single solve and averages:

Single | Average
-----------------------------------

Me

10.64 - 100% | 14.30 - 100%
18.30 - x | 24.15 - x

x = ~172% | x = ~169% ----> Average = 70,5%

-----------------------------------

Ryan

11.00 - 100% | 13.47 - 100%
18.15 - x | 21.41 - x

x = 165% | x = ~159% ----> Average = 62%

-----------------------------------

Chris Dzoan

11.60 - 100% | 13.93 - 100%
16.36 - x | 21.15 - x

x = ~141% | x = ~152% ----> Average = 46,5%

-----------------------------------

Dan Dzoan

10.08 - 100% | 14.41 - 100%
17.90 - x | 21.46 - x

x = ~178% | x = ~149% ----> Average = 63,5%


so I guess the ratio is a personal thing...

 

[Lofty]

lol yes I agree with you 100% I thought i was just posting in agreement with you since some people thought otherwise.
My 3x3x3 and 3x3x3_OH averages (rough estimates of my times) 25 and 32 = 28% lol
Deduction:
I do nothing but OH cube all day.