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[shadowkiller168]

Ok Dan. I've put together a schedule and cutoffs for our comp. Let me know if you think we should change anything. Also Zach what do you think of this? I think it should be very manageable.

Events: 2x2 (3 Rounds), 3x3 (3 Rounds), 4x4, 7x7, Skewb, Pyraminx, 3BLD

8:00-8:45 Registration
8:45-9:30 Pyraminx (Soft: 45 Hard 1:15)
9:30-10:15 2x2 Round 1
10:15-11:00 Skewb (Soft: 45 Hard 1:15)
11:00-12:10 3x3 Round 1
12:10-12:30 Lunch
12:30-1:45 7x7 (Soft: 8:00 Hard 10:00
1:45-2:45 3x3 Round 2 (Top 30)
2:45-3:10 2x2 Round 2 (Top 30)
3:10-4:20- 4x4 (Soft: 1:45 Hard 2:45)
4:20-5:05- 3BLD (15 Minute combined time limit)
5:05-5:20 2x2 Finals (Top 10)
5:20-5:40 3x3 Finals (Top 10)
5:40-6:00 Awards/Cleanup

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In all seriousness, there needs to be some work done. As I previously stated, the Pyra and Skewb cutoffs are too lenient. They're supposed to be short events; don't let them be longer than they need to and hold you back.

Registration ends a little too soon. I would suggest starting the first event at 9:00.

2x2, while quick and easy, often gets 4/5 of the competitors. You need to allow more time; at least 50 minutes should be enough, but don't be afraid to let it have more time. Remember: a more flexible schedule is better. 3x3 could also use 5-10 more minutes as well.

Unless you get 100 competitors like I did, top 20 should be enough for round 2. With lower competitors, I would say 2x2 round 2 should be 20 minutes and 3x3 round 2 should be 30 minutes. It doesn't take an hour to get through that many competitors. Also, 2x2 finals should be 10 minutes long, so you can shave off the extra 5 minutes.

You may want to consider lowering the cutoff for 4x4 to be 1:30 and the time limit to be 2:30.

Because you're hosting 7x7, you need to build the schedule around that; it's not an event you just throw in there. Lower the cutoff to 7:00; the event will take long enough as it is. Personally, I would allot 2 hours for this event, and combine it with lunch as early as you can while still leaving some space for 3x3 to catch up.

Have you noticed/kept track of how much time I've saved you? I know what you should do with it: give that time to the registration and 7x7 (mostly). No one likes waking up early in the morning (especially on a Saturday), and they don't know the area very well. Any extra time they can get is important.

Take my advice with as much consideration as you want. I, personally, have never hosted 7x7, and a lot of the events I did host that you are hosting were during Lawrence Open 2014, a comp with only 45 competitors. That comp was manageable, and we were even so far ahead of schedule to add a 2nd round of Skewb. After Lawrence Spring 2015, I don't know what to expect for a turnout like this. I critiqued your schedule with a turnout of 60-75 people in mind.

I must inquire: when will this be hosted (I don't need an exact date, a month or season is good enough), where will this be hosted (a city is specific enough), and is there going to be a competitor limit?

 

[biscuit]

It was late august I believe (right after school got back in). It will be either in independence or Olathe

EDIT: Also I think 4x4 should be 1:40 soft... 1:30 is kinda hard if we are saying sub 1 = sub 20. Also i am not sure I could get a sub 1:30 time in two attempts

 

[shadowkiller168]

It was late august I believe (right after school got back in). It will be either in independence or Olathe

EDIT: Also I think 4x4 should be 1:40 soft... 1:30 is kinda hard if we are saying sub 1 = sub 20. Also i am not sure I could get a sub 1:30 time in two attempts

Late August... I can't predict the turnout. After Nats/Worlds, many cubers (and especially parents) will be a little worn out. Combine that with school getting back in, students might not practice as much and there may be fewer competitors.

If it's in Independence, then the turnout will be much larger than in Olathe.

Remember, the comp isn't focused on you nor the organizer. I had 4x4's soft as 1:30 even though I averaged about 2:15 on it. I average about 4:15 on 5x5, but my soft cutoff was 2:45.

 

[biscuit]

Not only do I want it a bit lighter but I think it is legitimately a bit to hard. Although as I said I am quite bias

 

[shadowkiller168]

Not only do I want it a bit lighter but I think it is legitimately a bit to hard. Although as I said I am quite bias

1:30 is reasonable enough. If sub-20 = 1:00 then wouldn't sub-1:30 = about sub- 30 or sub-35?

 

[biscuit]

1:30 is reasonable enough. If sub-20 = 1:00 then wouldn't sub-1:30 = about sub- 30 or sub-35?

Like I said probably mostly my bias talking but I still think it's a bit harsh

 

[Kit Clement]

Ok Dan. I've put together a schedule and cutoffs for our comp. Let me know if you think we should change anything. Also Zach what do you think of this? I think it should be very manageable.

Events: 2x2 (3 Rounds), 3x3 (3 Rounds), 4x4, 7x7, Skewb, Pyraminx, 3BLD

8:00-8:45 Registration
8:45-9:30 Pyraminx (Soft: 30 Hard 1:00) too short
9:30-10:15 2x2 Round 1 way too short
10:15-11:00 Skewb (Soft: 30 Hard 1:00) somewhat short
11:00-12:10 3x3 Round 1 way too short
12:10-12:30 Lunch
12:30-1:45 7x7 (Soft: 8:00 Hard 10:00 a bit long
1:45-2:45 3x3 Round 2 (Top 30) ok
2:45-3:10 2x2 Round 2 (Top 30) ok
3:10-4:20- 4x4 (Soft: 1:45 Hard 2:45) ok
4:20-5:05- 3BLD (15 Minute combined time limit) a bit long
5:05-5:20 2x2 Finals (Top 10) ok
5:20-5:40 3x3 Finals (Top 10) ok
5:40-6:00 Awards/Cleanup

Opinions in quote above based on the previous event's attendance. You probably need to cut an event.

 

[Rocky0701]

Alright, I changed quite a bit on the new schedule:

8:00-9:00 Registration
9:00-9:45 Pyraminx (Soft: 30 Hard 1:00)
9:45-10:40 2x2 Round 1
10:40-11:55 3x3 Round 1
11:55-12:15 Lunch
12:05-1:55 7x7 (Soft: 7:00 Hard 9:00)
1:55-2:25 3x3 Round 2 (Top 25)
2:25-3:00 Skewb (Soft: 30 Hard 1:00)
3:00-3:20 2x2 Round 2 (Top 25)
3:20-4:30 4x4 (Soft: 1:45 Hard 2:15)
4:30-5:15 3BLD (15 Minute combined time limit)
5:15-5:25= 2x2 Finals (Top 10)
5:25-5:45 3x3 Finals (Top 10)
5:45-6:00 Awards/Cleanup

 

[biscuit]

Alright, I changed quite a bit on the new schedule:

8:00-9:00 Registration
9:00-9:45 Pyraminx (Soft: 30 Hard 1:00)
9:45-10:40 2x2 Round 1
10:40-11:55 3x3 Round 1
11:55-12:15 Lunch
12:05-1:55 7x7 (Soft: 7:00 Hard 9:00)
1:55-2:25 3x3 Round 2 (Top 25)
2:25-3:00 Skewb (Soft: 30 Hard 1:00)
3:00-3:20 2x2 Round 2 (Top 25)
3:20-4:30 4x4 (Soft: 1:45 Hard 2:15)
4:30-5:15 3BLD (15 Minute combined time limit)
5:15-5:25= 2x2 Finals (Top 10)
5:25-5:45 3x3 Finals (Top 10)
5:45-6:00 Awards/Cleanup

I would bring pyra hard down too 44. 7x7 should happen immediately as lunch starts. I know I for one don't want to watch much 7x7. People can eat between solves. Maybe skewb's hard could be taken down to 45. Not sure though

 

[Rocky0701]

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In all seriousness, there needs to be some work done. As I previously stated, the Pyra and Skewb cutoffs are too lenient. They're supposed to be short events; don't let them be longer than they need to and hold you back.

Registration ends a little too soon. I would suggest starting the first event at 9:00.

2x2, while quick and easy, often gets 4/5 of the competitors. You need to allow more time; at least 50 minutes should be enough, but don't be afraid to let it have more time. Remember: a more flexible schedule is better. 3x3 could also use 5-10 more minutes as well.

Unless you get 100 competitors like I did, top 20 should be enough for round 2. With lower competitors, I would say 2x2 round 2 should be 20 minutes and 3x3 round 2 should be 30 minutes. It doesn't take an hour to get through that many competitors. Also, 2x2 finals should be 10 minutes long, so you can shave off the extra 5 minutes.

You may want to consider lowering the cutoff for 4x4 to be 1:30 and the time limit to be 2:30.

Because you're hosting 7x7, you need to build the schedule around that; it's not an event you just throw in there. Lower the cutoff to 7:00; the event will take long enough as it is. Personally, I would allot 2 hours for this event, and combine it with lunch as early as you can while still leaving some space for 3x3 to catch up.

Have you noticed/kept track of how much time I've saved you? I know what you should do with it: give that time to the registration and 7x7 (mostly). No one likes waking up early in the morning (especially on a Saturday), and they don't know the area very well. Any extra time they can get is important.

Take my advice with as much consideration as you want. I, personally, have never hosted 7x7, and a lot of the events I did host that you are hosting were during Lawrence Open 2014, a comp with only 45 competitors. That comp was manageable, and we were even so far ahead of schedule to add a 2nd round of Skewb. After Lawrence Spring 2015, I don't know what to expect for a turnout like this. I critiqued your schedule with a turnout of 60-75 people in mind.

I must inquire: when will this be hosted (I don't need an exact date, a month or season is good enough), where will this be hosted (a city is specific enough), and is there going to be a competitor limit?

IKR, I would do megaminx because I actually do really like it, but you've done it at your last two comps haha.

Ok I changed the skewb/pyra cutoffs.

You're right about the registration especially with out of towners. I added it back.

I do kind of agree with Biscuit, 1:30 seems a little much to me. I lowered the hard cutoff by 30 seconds though.

Ok, I added way more time to 7x7. Right when you said it I realized that 1:10 would be like impossible for such a big event. We could also do a competitor limit maybe.

Yeah, I have no idea what to expect for the turnout either. I don't think there will be as many as Lawrence spring for a couple reasons: 1. We're obviously new organizers, and a comp has never been done in Overland Park/Olathe 2. There won't be as many celebrity cubers I doubt.
3. A couple weeks after Nationals/Worlds My guess is 80 competitors.

Yeah, Dan had the dates August 15 and 22nd in mind. We have 2 possible venues in Olathe, one in Overland Park and one in Independence, but I think the Independence one is least likely.

Opinions in quote above based on the previous event's attendance. You probably need to cut an event.

That's what I'm afraid of. I am thinking that we'll definitely be willing to cut 7x7. I think that it would be cool since 7x7 is the only cubing one left that hasn't been done recently, but it could be a very big hassle. If we need to cut it we could maybe do clock since all the Minnesota people requested it for Lawrence.

I still need to talk to Dan more about it because he hasn't seen the schedule yet. I don't really want to go much later than 6 though although it's an option.

I think that the first part of the comp before lunch could gain some time before 7x7 comes up, I put 7x7 10 minutes after lunch starts and would give people signed up for 7x7 a chance to get food before everyone else and so then if people aren't signed up for it and want to go to lunch they have a lot of time to do so.

It would still be almost 5 months away so this could all easily change.

 

[Rocky0701]

Thanks everyone for their help!

 

[biscuit]

I think we should add sq-1, 6x6 and feet. Maybe this is just me though

 

[Psyph3r]

Biscuit we can't just magically add three events to an already over packed schedule.

 

[Rocky0701]

I think he was kidding.

 

[Psyph3r]

I hate April 1

 

[biscuit]

lol (yes every one it was a joke)

 

[danchoi955]

Late August... I can't predict the turnout. After Nats/Worlds, many cubers (and especially parents) will be a little worn out. Combine that with school getting back in, students might not practice as much and there may be fewer competitors.

If it's in Independence, then the turnout will be much larger than in Olathe.

Remember, the comp isn't focused on you nor the organizer. I had 4x4's soft as 1:30 even though I averaged about 2:15 on it. I average about 4:15 on 5x5, but my soft cutoff was 2:45.

Comp will probably be August 15th, if not, the 22nd. This is two weeks after national. Why would you think Independence will attract more people? Because it's closer to Missouri? Olathe is a much prettier town.

 

[biscuit]

Comp will probably be August 15th, if not, the 22nd. This is two weeks after national. Why would you think Independence will attract more people? Because it's closer to Missouri? Olathe is a much prettier town.

Independence is closer to the airport is it not? I guess there is probably more hotels in olathe (but they will be a bit more expensive)

 

[Psyph3r]

The good think about Olathe as venue is we can pull most of the crowd from Lawrence. Independence is far enough away from Lawrence that we will start losing people. I know it is only an hour but an hour away and registration by 9am is rough. That is just my two cents.

 

[shadowkiller168]

Comp will probably be August 15th, if not, the 22nd. This is two weeks after national. Why would you think Independence will attract more people? Because it's closer to Missouri? Olathe is a much prettier town.

It's all about location. At my comp, I would say that there were only about 15-20 people from Kansas. Almost all of the rest were from Missouri, primarily Kansas City and Independence. The closer = the better. There were apparently a few new cubers who couldn't come because their parents thought 1 hour of driving was too long :/

The closer the venue is to the majority of the people, the better the turnout. It's clear that Central USA's cubers are mostly in Missouri, so it would make sense to have more comps in Missouri. I have them in Kansas because that's where I live.

I'm sure that most of the people would be willing to drive to Olathe, it's not that far, but I feel Independence might be a better choice.