Anybody who does the LL on the D face?

[mande]

I used to do the LL on the D face until I recently realised that finger shortcuts would be a bit tough

 

[Faz]

no one in their right mind would do that - does anyone even teach it?

 

[not_kevin]

I actually saw somebody solve an entire cube with cross U, no x/z turns (yes, that's both F2L and LL on bottom). Got 21's, which scared me a little.

 

[qqwref]

There's nothing wrong with doing the last layer on D. Except if you're speedcubing. It can be helpful to look at the solved stuff so you make sure you don't mess things up accidentally, before you're confident that you can do an algorithm and it will always keep the F2L solved. If you do the last layer on D it also makes commutators much easier to understand and visualize: for example, doing (RUR'U')2 will just twist one corner on D, and then you can do a D turn and undo that to twist a second corner the opposite way and also fix the top two layers again. If I wanted someone to try to figure out the last layer with commutators themselves, I would definitely tell them to put the last layer on D.

If you ARE speedcubing, LL on D actually isn't *that* bad if you're used to it. Sure, it's a bit slow, and you have to turn the cube a bit to recognize cases, but it's not slow enough that anyone using it would immediately realize that doing LL on U is better.

 

[*LukeMayn*]

I actually saw somebody solve an entire cube with cross U, no x/z turns (yes, that's both F2L and LL on bottom). Got 21's, which scared me a little.

o.O that must kill his recognition time!! I wonder how fast he would of been with it on top. sub 17?

 

[rjohnson_8ball]

My co-worker solves with cross on top and LL on bottom. He was in a couple cube competitions in the 80's. He said he could average 29 seconds back then. He derived the concept of OLL/PLL on his own, before learning that Fridrich had the same idea, and figured out all the OLLs and PLLs himself. He got 1st in his region (with 37 seconds at a city in the East) at the 2nd National Rubik's Cube-A-Thon in Nov 1982. His cube, lubed with Vaseline, fell out of his hands and onto the floor, he told me. According to http://cubeman.org/con2.txt the finals were shown on the TV show "That's Incredible" in Jan 1983. He lost some interest over the years. He was happy to get some Cubesmith stickers from me for his beat up cubes. He is slightly color blind, so somehow he prefers the standard stickers rather than "bright" set.

 

[Karthik]

no one in their right mind would do that - does anyone even teach it?

Why are you so sure? He averages 32.40 secs with it. That is definitely not slow.

If I wanted someone to try to figure out thelast layer with commutators themselves, I would definitely tell them toput the last layer on D.

Very good point.
BTW mande, as I had told you earlier, it wont be all that hard to make the switch. Just give it a shot damn it!

 

[fcwy1]

i used to do it for my begginer method.
LL can sub-20.
Permute corners, orient corners, orient edges, permute edges.

 

[flee135]

I remember watching my friend solve a cube. He's quite slow, and I understood when he did the middle layer upside down. At the time I knew that was taught in some places. But he never turned the cube around for LL, and I just stared at him with a clueless face and said "Are you sure you're doing that right? Wouldn't it be much easier to see what was on the bottom by flipping the cube over?" And honestly, he was holding the cube above his head looking up towards the sky as well.

I found it kind of funny, but LL on the top is definitely easier and faster in the end...

 

[fcwy1]

LL on the top is definitely easier and faster in the end.
i agree.

My beginner method did everything with white cross on top and LL below.
Did not turn the cube around at all. yet can still sub-40

 

[not_kevin]

I actually saw somebody solve an entire cube with cross U, no x/z turns (yes, that's both F2L and LL on bottom). Got 21's, which scared me a little.

o.O that must kill his recognition time!! I wonder how fast he would of been with it on top. sub 17?

Looking at the tournament results, I believe he's Matt Wilder, 'tho I'm not sure. Average of 27... Not as good as I had originally said (sorry; I only judged his 21.00 solve). His solves were actually pretty smooth; he turned slow enough (I would assume) to know where he's going.

 

[CymbalMonkey]

My buddy doesn't use index finger tricks, he does all his movements with his pinkies, he solve everything on D. I can't do it

 

[mande]

I cold actually average 31 seconds or so with the LL on the D face.
Now, though I am trying to shift to doing the LL on the U face (but I'm still comfortable doing the cross on top), and I average about 30 seconds (using my fingers extensively during F2L). I have to relearn all the OLL's and PLL's though.