Avoiding G perms?

[UB]

I guess Roux method with CMLL ?

"Not doing OLL/PLL"

 

[TDM]

I guess Roux method with CMLL ?

Of course. Of the best 3 (or 4 if you really want to include Petrus) methods, Roux is the only one to not finish with the final layer being on U. Kir is also a Roux user. However, there are other methods that don't use OLL/PLL, and as the question asked was a way of avoiding G perms, the obvious answer was to not do something involving PLL. Roux is just one of these methods.

 

[Phillip1847]

(H perm stuff) I hate all CPLLs.

If you take out the U2, it magically becomes a EPLL. And if you hate EPLLs, add U2 and it becomes a CPLL! Magic!
On a more serious, take a look at the non-traditional G perms, the [F,R,U] ones and the [R,U,D] ones.
I can't sub one any PLL. All of them but a few hover around 2-2.2, the faster ones around 1.5, and the N perms around 3

 

[mDiPalma]

You could learn a more relaxed version of COLL which would force either solved or diagonally swapped corners while orienting the last layer.

Recognition would suck, getting more N perms would suck, and the whole idea sucks.

But you won't get G perms (unless you really suck).

 

[Noahaha]

SIMPLE SOLUTION:

Everyone thinks that they get lots and lots of G-perms because of negativity bias.

If you start liking G-perms, they will vanish.

 

[kcl]

SIMPLE SOLUTION:

Everyone thinks that they get lots and lots of G-perms because of negativity bias.

If you start liking G-perms, they will vanish.

Sort of like double parity

 

[Weston]

I don't see how that could possibly qualify as "sarcasm".

He really means that he never gets G perms and he wishes that he encountered them more often.

If you learned half of OLLCP then you could always avoid G perms.

EDIT: owait someone said that

 

[kcl]

I've considered learning 57 OLLCP cases so that I never have a diag swap PLL.. It seems like more work than it's worth but my diag swap PLL's suck pretty badly.

 

[TDM]

If you take out the U2, it magically becomes a EPLL. And if you hate EPLLs, add U2 and it becomes a CPLL! Magic!

But AUF doesn't change the case, so it's still a CPLL And who hates EPLLs...

If you start liking G-perms, they will vanish.

True. I now feel like I get fewer G perms. Although I still use half 2-look OLL and know quite a few COLLs, so I do force EPLLs more often than I used to. Either way, I hate Ga/Gb more and it feels like I get more of them than Gc/Gd.

 

[patrickcuber]

I Am Not Going To even learn g-perms.

 

[pipkiksass]

I Am Not Going To even learn g-perms.

This is foolish. You will regret it. Instead, find good G-perms and learn them.

2 look PLL will never be faster than even a bad 1-look alg.

 

[TDM]

I Am Not Going To even learn g-perms.

Yeah... don't, that's stupid. They're the most common PLLs. Look through every website you can find and look for good ones. You have algdb.net, the wiki, and so many cubers have their own website. I avoided learning them, even though they were my slowest PLLs after the others were 1-look. When I finally learned them, my average dropped by almost a second. 1-look is much faster than 2-look PLL, especially when you have the right algs. Not learning them is the worst thing you can do.

 

[mark49152]

I Am Not Going To even learn g-perms.

Almost a quarter of solves ends in G perm. Learn to love them.

 

[MichaelErskine]

2 look PLL will never be faster than even a bad 1-look alg.

Poor conclusion: please reconsider this statement

 

[Lazy Einstein]

SIMPLE SOLUTION:

Everyone thinks that they get lots and lots of G-perms because of negativity bias.

If you start liking G-perms, they will vanish.

I get it!!1 I love G perms every other solve and I love locking up while solving.
*waits for these things to never happen again* =P

Seriously though, I don't mind G perms and I am learning algs from a y2 position of the algs I know. It just seemed like I was getting them all the time. I thought maybe the way I was solving was somewhat influencing me to get G-perms more often than most.
From reading everyones posts, it sounds like I should be mastering G perms then I should start looking into OLLCP if I want.

Also anyone have a good G(b) alg with headlights to the right. I can't find one that feels good and I am not smart enough on the cube yet to figure one out.

 

[TDM]

Also anyone have a good G(b) alg with headlights to the right. I can't find one that feels good and I am not smart enough on the cube yet to figure one out.

Assuming you use R' U' R y R2 u R' U R U' R u' R2, you should find L' U' L y' R2 u R' U R U' R u' R2 easy to learn.

 

[kcl]

I get it!!1 I love G perms every other solve and I love locking up while solving.
*waits for these things to never happen again* =P

Seriously though, I don't mind G perms and I am learning algs from a y2 position of the algs I know. It just seemed like I was getting them all the time. I thought maybe the way I was solving was somewhat influencing me to get G-perms more often than most.
From reading everyones posts, it sounds like I should be mastering G perms then I should start looking into OLLCP if I want.

Also anyone have a good G(b) alg with headlights to the right. I can't find one that feels good and I am not smart enough on the cube yet to figure one out.

Doing it with F' U F at the beginning removes the rotation and makes it really smooth.

 

[Lazy Einstein]

Opps! I noobery caused me to type G(b) when I meant G(d)

These are the Algs I use atm.

G(a) R2 u R’ U R’ U’ R u’ R2 y’ R’ U R Headlights left

G(b) F’ U’ F R2 u R’ U R U’ R u’ R2 Headlights back

G(c) R2 u’ R U’ R U R’ u R2 y (R U’ R’) Headlights left
y2 R2 F2 R U2 R U2' R' F (R U R' U') R' F R2

G(d) (R U R’) y’ R2 u’ R U’ R’ U R’ u R2 Headlights left
y2 L U r' U2' x D' R U' R' U R' u R2 U

 

[kcl]

f R f' instead of R U R' y'. So nice.

 

[pipkiksass]

Poor conclusion: please reconsider this statement

No thanks.

Here's my "poor" conclusion, just to reiterate:

"2 look PLL will never be faster than even a bad 1-look alg."

And here's my rebuttal:

Firstly, it's not a conclusion, it's an assertion.

Anyway, let's suppose for simplicity's sake that a G perm can be 2-looked using a T/J perm and a U perm. Using 2-look PLL, this requires executing T/J, then pausing, recognising, AUFing if required, and executing your U perm.

N.B. if you have refined your 2-look to such a stage where you know what AUF and EPLL case will follow, and can execute CPLL, AUF, and EPLL as a single alg, it is no longer 2-look by definition, as you don't need 2 looks in order to execute it. It is, in effect, one very long and inefficient algorithm.

Note also that I'm talking about bad algs rather than poorly executed algs. True, if I tried introducing a new G-perm which I'd never attempted, with loads of B or L turns in it, it would probably be initially slower than 2-looking the same alg, but that's hardly a fair comparison, is it?

A 'bad' 1-look G-perm (perhaps one that the cuber finds uncomfortable) might be c.17 turns (based on a quick survey of the wiki). True 2-look, using the assumptions above stated, would be c.27 turns plus AUF and 2 lots of recognition.

I stand by the assertion that 27 turns, with AUF and 2 lots of recognition will never be faster than 17 turns, no AUF and 1 lot of recognition.