[WCA Regulations 2014] Logos and Stickers

[Lucas Garron]

Just a note: there was more Board discussion, and there will definitely be some changes before the final version.
In particular, you can expect that the change for multicolored plastic will be relaxed.

(I note that this took place before SenileGenXer started posting stuff. I'm traveling, so I'm lucky to be getting significant internet at all.)

 

[SenileGenXer]

Thank you for your reply. I was upset about other things in my life I shouldn't even be upset about and let far too much of that emotion bleed into my behavior here. Thank you for your thoughtful response and perspective.

I do learn by questioning and I have learned another perspective.

 

[Antonie faz fan]

Because of this al plastic need to be the same can you put like in a 2x2. A sticker less core and then use it?

 

[DrKorbin]

Suggestion: change 3a4 to "All visible pieces of a puzzle ..." or "All outer pieces of a puzzle ...".

Ground: my SS 5x5 is black, but has white core (previous cube had red core). Is it really banned? Do a delegate really need to disassemble each and every cube to make sure absolutely all parts have same color?

Spoiler

 

[Lchu613]

My two former mains:
A 57 mm white Fangshi with black internals.
A black Zhanchi with white caps.

My two previously perfectly viable cubes, which give me no advantage, would have been disallowed. Ouch.
I mean, I can see that it would have been hard for the delegates to make decisions before this, but that's a bit overboard don't you think?
They keep saying "these cubes are less popular" "there are more alternatives". Well darn it all Reeboks are less popular than Nikes, and they have too many types of materials in them that don't actually give them an advantage, and there are plenty of alternative shoes that exist so let's ban people from wearing them.

And then there's the issue of cores. You have primary/yellow Fangshi cores, primary and yellow Dayan cores, red Maru cores, and blue Moyu cores, none of which match the cube colors. Are all of these cubes now illegal? (This part is just me being picky about the wording)

 

[Kit Clement]

3a4 is not in the final 2014 regulations.

 

[cubizh]

I have made a video regarding logos that (hopefully?) will help out understanding the differences between logos according to regulation 3l):

Spoiler: Video:

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[Dene]

They keep saying "these cubes are less popular" "there are more alternatives". Well darn it all Reeboks are less popular than Nikes, and they have too many types of materials in them that don't actually give them an advantage, and there are plenty of alternative shoes that exist so let's ban people from wearing them

These two cases are not analogous in the slightest. I'll leave it as a bit of homework for you to figure out why. (And the best part is, once you learn why, you'll be able to make smarter arguments in the future).

 

[KiwiCuber]

Thick tiles and engraved/embossed logos are no longer allowed. Such puzzles are now less popular, and there are also a lot more alternatives than when this was originally allowed (for example, everyone had a Megaminx with thick tiles back then).

To clarify here, are mf8 megaminx tiles now illegal (center tile with logo molded/thickness) or is my v3 mega still ok.
Doesnt really bother me either way ill just switch back to my dayan if its illegal

 

[Divineskulls]

To clarify here, are mf8 megaminx tiles now illegal (center tile with logo molded/thickness) or is my v3 mega still ok.
Doesnt really bother me either way ill just switch back to my dayan if its illegal

I'd really like to know about this. I can't recognize a mega with stickers anymore, I'm so used to the tiles.

 

[AlexMaass]

To clarify here, are mf8 megaminx tiles now illegal (center tile with logo molded/thickness) or is my v3 mega still ok.
Doesnt really bother me either way ill just switch back to my dayan if its illegal

You could sand down the logo tile and all the pieces enough so it isn't too thick and to remove the embossed logo.

 

[DrKorbin]

To clarify here, are mf8 megaminx tiles now illegal (center tile with logo molded/thickness) or is my v3 mega still ok.
Doesnt really bother me either way ill just switch back to my dayan if its illegal

If tiles are not thicker then 1mm, then ok. Or does your megaminx have logos on each center? Then it is not ok.

 

[NathanWalsh]

What about 4 logos on a 2x2? all the white faces would have an identical sticker in the same orientation so you could not differientiate the pieces :confused:

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

What about 4 logos on a 2x2? all the white faces would have an identical sticker in the same orientation so you could not differientiate the pieces :confused:

https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/regulations/#3l A puzzle may have a logo on a sticker/tile, but it must have at most one sticker/tile with a logo.

 

[Michael Womack]

For 3l1a why would anyone put a logo on a Pyraminx edge?

 

[KiwiCuber]

If tiles are not thicker then 1mm, then ok. Or does your megaminx have logos on each center? Then it is not ok.

I just mesaured and they are exactly 1mm thick and only my light blue side has a logo, so i guess its ok then

 

[Lucas Garron]

To clarify here, are mf8 megaminx tiles now illegal (center tile with logo molded/thickness) or is my v3 mega still ok.
Doesnt really bother me either way ill just switch back to my dayan if its illegal

mf8 tiles are 1.2mm thick, so they are not allowed. This was an intentional decision, although the Board is aware that some competitors are especially concerned about this.

For 3l1a why would anyone put a logo on a Pyraminx edge?

I don't know. But this is simpler than adding more cases to make things stricter.

 

[Lid]

Changing the allowed thinkness of tiles is imo one of the strangest decisions from WCA I've seen.

And saying "there are more alternatives" in not a reason to do this.

edit: This is a rush decisions from my POV, did you even ask the community?

And I'm mostly think of all those who use Megaminx with either mf8 or Mefferts tiles.
And unless any of those produce thinner tiles I just can't see any reason to "ban" them.

 

[arcio1]

WTF WCA Board?! So many people using Megaminxes with MF8 tiles, even the world record holder uses that and all of a sudden you forbid using them? BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE ALTERNATIVES?! You gotta be kidding me.

 

[DrKorbin]

But you can see tiles behind in your mf8. More information available.