Kit Clement
Premium Member
EDIT by Lucas: Note that the strict changes in the first post were part of a discussion that led to only some of them taking effect. Please check the actual changes before you continue the discussion.
I think that among the current regulation changes that are being proposed, the logo regulations are the ones that will affect just about every cuber. For that reason, I wanted to make the (English-speaking) community aware of the proposed changes in order to consider whether we should make these changes. Logo changes are necessary, as the current regulations are incredibly lacking. Here's the GitHub to the proposed changes:
https://github.com/cubing/wca-documents/compare/logos
Here's a breakdown of the changes:
1) Logos are still allowed on the following puzzles: 3x3x3/5x5x5/7x7x7, Skewb, Megaminx, Square-1
2) Logos are not allowed on the following puzzles: 2x2x2/4x4x4/6x6x6, Pyraminx
3) Logos can not be any arbitrary logo, and are allowed up to the discretion of the delegate.
4) Puzzles can not be engraved/embossed.
5) Logos cannot be overlay stickers.
Reasonings:
- A logo on a 2x2x2 makes one of the corners easily identifiable in addition to the colors on that piece.
- A logo on a 4x4x4/6x6x6 could be theoretically be used to count the number of turns made on that face in order to count parity.
- Logos could be used to encode information (algs, color schemes, memo-related info for BLD, etc.) in an attempt to cheat.
- Engravings/Overlay stickers can be used to identify a side by feel. Not as important in speed solving, but more important for BLD.
So this leaves us with some obvious questions. If you are concerned with these changes, I would like you to answer the following questions:
1) Should we keep logos on the 2x2 or not?
2) Is the theoretical possibility of counting parity important enough to not allow logos for 4x4x4 and 6x6x6?
3) Should we consider having different logo regulations for BLD and speedsolving?
4) What kinds of logos should we allow? Should they need to be a brand logo, or can we allow custom logos? Is "delegate discretion" enough to manage custom logos?
5) Are logos important to you for the purpose of identifying your own cubes at a competition? If so, do you feel this hurts your ability to keep track of puzzles?
Thanks for your time, everyone. To start discussion, here are my own responses:
1) No, I believe that having a logo on a corner piece makes this type of piece too identifiable from other similar pieces.
2) No, I think that this is pretty silly, myself. No such way of counting parity is commonly known, and even so, it would be incredibly difficult to implement in such a way that it would improve times. I realize regulations should be proactive and not reactive to potential incidents, but I cannot see this becoming an incident.
3) I disagree with this. Regulations on logos should be consistent across all events to avoid unnecessary confusion.
4) Delegate discretion on logos should be sufficient to prevent cheating logos. Custom logos are okay by me.
5) My color scheme identifies puzzles for me, so N/A.
I think that among the current regulation changes that are being proposed, the logo regulations are the ones that will affect just about every cuber. For that reason, I wanted to make the (English-speaking) community aware of the proposed changes in order to consider whether we should make these changes. Logo changes are necessary, as the current regulations are incredibly lacking. Here's the GitHub to the proposed changes:
https://github.com/cubing/wca-documents/compare/logos
Here's a breakdown of the changes:
1) Logos are still allowed on the following puzzles: 3x3x3/5x5x5/7x7x7, Skewb, Megaminx, Square-1
2) Logos are not allowed on the following puzzles: 2x2x2/4x4x4/6x6x6, Pyraminx
3) Logos can not be any arbitrary logo, and are allowed up to the discretion of the delegate.
4) Puzzles can not be engraved/embossed.
5) Logos cannot be overlay stickers.
Reasonings:
- A logo on a 2x2x2 makes one of the corners easily identifiable in addition to the colors on that piece.
- A logo on a 4x4x4/6x6x6 could be theoretically be used to count the number of turns made on that face in order to count parity.
- Logos could be used to encode information (algs, color schemes, memo-related info for BLD, etc.) in an attempt to cheat.
- Engravings/Overlay stickers can be used to identify a side by feel. Not as important in speed solving, but more important for BLD.
So this leaves us with some obvious questions. If you are concerned with these changes, I would like you to answer the following questions:
1) Should we keep logos on the 2x2 or not?
2) Is the theoretical possibility of counting parity important enough to not allow logos for 4x4x4 and 6x6x6?
3) Should we consider having different logo regulations for BLD and speedsolving?
4) What kinds of logos should we allow? Should they need to be a brand logo, or can we allow custom logos? Is "delegate discretion" enough to manage custom logos?
5) Are logos important to you for the purpose of identifying your own cubes at a competition? If so, do you feel this hurts your ability to keep track of puzzles?
Thanks for your time, everyone. To start discussion, here are my own responses:
1) No, I believe that having a logo on a corner piece makes this type of piece too identifiable from other similar pieces.
2) No, I think that this is pretty silly, myself. No such way of counting parity is commonly known, and even so, it would be incredibly difficult to implement in such a way that it would improve times. I realize regulations should be proactive and not reactive to potential incidents, but I cannot see this becoming an incident.
3) I disagree with this. Regulations on logos should be consistent across all events to avoid unnecessary confusion.
4) Delegate discretion on logos should be sufficient to prevent cheating logos. Custom logos are okay by me.
5) My color scheme identifies puzzles for me, so N/A.
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