MGLS Anyone?

[ScottKidder]

Anyone else learning MGLS? I just started and have about 20ish of the CLS cases down. Just wondering

 

[ErikJ]

I know the I cases and a few other easy ones but I can't see myself learning full MGLS

 

[waffle=ijm]

yesh. the easy ones for OH petrus.

 

[fanwuq]

I like it. I would learn it, but only for EJF2L if I ever use Petrus for speed. (It's quite difficult for me to switch, but I do like the idea.)

 

[kratos94]

What exactly is MGLS?

 

[JBCM627]

What exactly is MGLS?

http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/.

Hmm, I wonder if Lucas has learned MGLS.

 

[CAT13]

What exactly is MGLS?

http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/.

Hmm, I wonder if Lucas has learned MGLS.

on that page:

I adopted his idea, found algs for every case, memorized them, and refined them -and did all of that work myself.

I think he has

oh, and this:

Several cubers are learning MGLS. The following box lists those who are so cool that they have adopted the method and have finished learning it:
Lucas Garron (June 16, 2007)
Justin Adsuara (Dec. 25, 2007)

 

[somerandomkidmike]

I'm interested in learning for petrus solves. Since I use the method for OH. I am more concentrated on learning all of the Waterman algorithms at the moment though.

 

[ScottKidder]

I'm gonna learn them all, hopefully. I only know about 1/3 of OLL right now and hated learning them for some reason, so I switched.

 

[Dene]

I have been planning on learning MGLS for over a year now... it hasn't gone so well

 

[Piercy]

What kind of advantage do you think this method can have over COLL + PLL ?

 

[blah]

What kind of advantage do you think this method can have over COLL + PLL ?

Did you miss something?

You can use MGLS everytime, but you can only use COLL when you get an all-edges-oriented case for OLL (or if you used VHF2L or ZBF2L).

Also, COLL = no 2-gen; CLS = 2-gen.

I think I should just mention something out of the blue since I think it's a very common misconception. MGLS is optimally slightly faster then pure Fridrich in terms of move count. But that's not why you would wanna use MGLS.

In my opinion, there are 2 reasons to use MGLS: ELS and CLS (duh). Why ELS? The fact that you're doing ELS instead of a fourth F2L slot means there are NO pieces to track, the edges are all sitting there staring at you. And since you have a very good view of all the edges all the U edges all the time, simple edge control techniques can easily get you an ELS skip. In contrast, how often do you get a fourth slot skip? Using edge control techniques to skip ELS is analogous to multislotting in pure Fridrich, only it's much easier to master (that's why Lucas uses edge control all through his F2L phase, to force an easy ELS skip, I think).

And then there's CLS. CLS is optimally faster than OLL in terms of move count. But that's not what makes it useful. It's the fact that CLS can always be done using 2-gen that makes it very useful for big cubes and OH. Very. But the 2-gen algorithms are sub-optimal, so if you use 2-gens for all CLS cases, you have a move count disadvantage against Fridrich.

Summary: Non-2-gen CLS: fewer moves than OLL, not necessarily faster. 2-gen CLS: more moves than OLL, not necessarily slower, but definitely smoother for big cubes and OH.

After all this, why am I not using MGLS? I tried Recognition was too hard for me, and I couldn't get rid of the there's-still-a-fourth-slot mentality - MGLS, like ZBF2L, requires you to change your entire cubing momentum because there are now "only 3 slots" and you have "an additional step" to do, if you get what I mean. The quotation marks are there for a reason, so don't come up with a silly argument to counter that.

PS: About that question asked earlier, if memory serves, Lucas doesn't even know all of OLL, so of course he knows full MGLS (to be that fast)

 

[ScottKidder]

Recognition is hard for me right now too, but I know that as I learn more cases it'll get easier and easier. I love how fast these algs are

 

[Piercy]

What kind of advantage do you think this method can have over COLL + PLL ?

Did you miss something?

You can use MGLS everytime, but you can only use COLL when you get an all-edges-oriented case for OLL (or if you used VHF2L or ZBF2L).

Also, COLL = no 2-gen; CLS = 2-gen.

Thank you for answering. I'll stay Petrusing / COLLing for a while, so.

I can everytime use COLL.

 

[fanwuq]

I'm going to start learning full MGLS now. I'll get into the petrus orienting style for ELS eventually.
So are there any easy positions that you should learn first?

 

[waffle=ijm]

What kind of advantage do you think this method can have over COLL + PLL ?

Did you miss something?

You can use MGLS everytime, but you can only use COLL when you get an all-edges-oriented case for OLL (or if you used VHF2L or ZBF2L).

Also, COLL = no 2-gen; CLS = 2-gen.

Thank you for answering. I'll stay Petrusing / COLLing for a while, so.

I can everytime use COLL.

same with roux...but i'm learning a bunch of CMLL algs to replace my COLLs

 

[MistArts]

I thought about learning it, but then I came up with something called PPAE1C.

 

[yurivish]

I thought about learning it, but then I came up with something called PPAE1C.

And what's that?

 

[blah]

I'm going to start learning full MGLS now. I'll get into the petrus orienting style for ELS eventually.

An alternative resource:

Lucas' page for ELS:http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/ELS.htm
Mine:http://zzzonked.googlepages.com/mgls.html

You can try my page for ELS if you like, created it when I first started learning MGLS. Never got round to making a proper CLS page though, because of the number of algs, and also because, well, I never finished learning them

Now, a little advertising for my page : I like my ELS algs way better than Lucas' (the ones that are different from his of course). Only 2 of my algs require 1 regrip, every other alg can be done in one smooth movement, and all but one of my algs are HTM-optimal. And I think my organization of cases is more layman-friendly than Lucas' binary IDs (though it's a very clever way of naming cases). I organized the cases in such a way that the mirrors are directly above and below(?) each other, but I retained Lucas' alg IDs, so you can refer to his page when comparing algs. Yep.

PS: Tell me if the images are really hard to see/confusing/distracting, I've got complaints on those before

So are there any easy positions that you should learn first?

You can pretty much learn ELS in a day or two, honestly. You already know some cases and half the cases are just mirrors. Heck, they're all intuitive after an hour or so (okay maybe I'm exaggerating a little but you get the point).

 

[yurivish]

Do you have a page for CLS algs too? Lucas's look good, but it's always nice to have more than one source.

I'm thinking of learning the I and Im cases for when the corner is already in the F2L slot but misoriented. I currently use ZZ, and it'd be cool to get a sort of 1-look LL more often (I'm using COLL/EPLL | sune/antisune/PLL).